I understand both Profs Ludlow and O'Donovan are ordained, so only two of the 8 members of the review are laity.
Prof Greggs is the only lay person and he is a Methodist Lay Preacher.
Two lay members? Sarah Coakley is ordained. Tom Greggs a Lay Preacher in the Methodist church.
The major criticisms of the CNC that I've heard can hardly be described as theological. I wonder whether the most urgently needed review is a theological one. Dare I say it but a review by a bunch of HR consultants might be quite interesting.
Can save 'em the trouble. Skip the review, and switch to elections, like every other province. All current bishops recalled and seek an actual mandate.
I'll take my fee in cash or check. ;-)
"and as it is anticipated that there will be fewer vacant sees in the near future, it is timely to review the way in which it works."
Is that the sound of the stable door slamming? Wouldn't the review have been more timely *before* a large number of foreseeable vacancies occurred?
"Dare I say it but a review by a bunch of HR consultants might be quite interesting."
Indeed it would. But I doubt whether many HR consultants would want to have anything to do with a review where the right to discriminate was hard-wired into the terms of reference.
Actually most provinces of the Anglican Communion don't hold elections.
I'm not sure elections would actually produce the sorts of Bishops for which TA commenters consistently call.
For once, I am in favour. The Church should undertake periodic reviews of its operations and doing so with the CNC seems highly appropriate - although I agree it would have served better if it had been done before a large cohort of appointments were made, but better late than never.
The Church House establishment have a great propensity to set up these theological and other reviews without any reference to General Synod members, or any other consultees. There is an almost complete lack of transparency, which is ironical given the subject matter. I am a huge fan of the Revd Professor Oliver O'Donovan who is exactly the right person to lead it. But I can think of a good number of others, lay persons included, who have excellent insights into the principles of episcopal leadership and what the Church needs from its bench of bishops, and I say that as a member of the Dioceses Commission. I wish the group well, but it shows signs of being long on theological expertise and short on practical experience.
I wonder what sort of theological balance will be exercised in this particular group? Does it consist of a proper ratio of catholic and evangelical voices? Or is it following the current trend towards the appointment of more evangelical bishops?
An interesting anticipation that it is likely that there will be "fewer vacant sees in the near future". Surely in the longer terms - they will all become repeatedly vacant so shouldn't the Theological Reviewers of the CNC be taking a broader view of things and not simply concentrate on "the near future"?
Currently Parliament is looking at the possibility of reducing the number of constituencies represented in the House of Commons from 650 to 600 which will give a clear advantage to the Tories in any future General Election if this comes to pass.
As so many dioceses are in severe financial straits (Truro, Blackburn, Rochester to name but a few) isn't it about time to start seriously thinking about reducing the number of dioceses? When parish churches cannot pay their way then they are often closed or declared to be redundant, shouldn't the same apply to dioceses on the brink of bankruptcy? We don't need a "Theological Review" but we do need a great visionary like Theodore of Tarsus to sort things out and maybe even reduce the number of English dioceses to a figure somewhat nearer to what it was in his day. Just think of the savings that such closures would bring to a national church strapped for cash.
The Brexit vote, we understand was a symbol of the frustration ordinary people felt with out of touch politicians. The Church of England, it seems to me is yet another model/sector of the Establishment out of touch with its members and consequently losing their trust and support and in many cases, losing them all together. Yet another costly managerial exercise when so many parish churches are dying. The frustration I feel is directing me to the exit.
Peter S, which provinces d'you have in mind?
Peter Mullins, so be it. I'd like to see the Mother Church elect its bishops fairly, not pack the English bench with my theological pals.
What an admirable bunch of people whose time to completely waste. How many of the recommendations of the long string of CAC/CRC reports to synod have ever been implemented?
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