Comments: Bishop of Salisbury responds to GAFCON UK

Stirring stuff.

Now, perhaps Holtam could follow up by repudiating the Lambeth motion, and ending all discrimination against LGBT people in his own diocese? Let his actions back his words.

Posted by James Byron at Saturday, 19 November 2016 at 1:59pm GMT

Course he won't repudiate Lambeth 1.10

Posted by S Cooper at Saturday, 19 November 2016 at 5:41pm GMT

Of course we want more but it would be curmudgeonly not to be grateful that he has said something when his peers have remained silent.

Posted by Kate at Saturday, 19 November 2016 at 7:04pm GMT

As a priest in Nicholas Holtam's own diocese of Salisbury, it is heartening to read such a robust intervention from a diocesan bishop.
A "blind-eye" usually appears to be turned to GAFCON's cherry-picking of both Scripture and Lambeth 1.10, so I am hoping that Bishop Nicholas' fresh approach will mark a change of attitude to GAFCON's schismatic activity.

Posted by Graham Southgate at Saturday, 19 November 2016 at 10:04pm GMT

This was a helpful letter. I hope he will be pressing for a change in official teaching so that his view can be honoured as a legitimate theological position rather than just a pastoral exception. We have had enough compassion: now we want justice.

Posted by Jeremy Pemberton at Saturday, 19 November 2016 at 11:33pm GMT

As my Diocesan Bishop, I feel Bishop Nicholas Holtham has set a fine example for us all. I thank God for his leadership!

Posted by Revd Jacqueline Clark at Sunday, 20 November 2016 at 12:14am GMT

We're so sorry uncle Albert ....

Posted by Rod Gillis at Sunday, 20 November 2016 at 3:01am GMT

GAFCON'S list appears to have one purpose; to divide, to create a 'them and us' atmosphere.

There is no them and us, only US.

Bishop Nicholas' letter calls for unity. Surely our calling from Christ is to be one body, disparate brothers and sisters united in the 'one bread' upon which we all feed?

Posted by Robyn Golden-Hann at Sunday, 20 November 2016 at 8:09am GMT

I applaud Bishop Holtam on writing this very appropriate, temperate but robust response to GAFCON. They, too, of course, are in regular infringement of other aspects of Lambeth Resolution 1.10, but this too often passes without comment. Well done to the Bishop of Salisbury - and what a shame that there is the usual deafening silence from his fellow bishops.

Posted by Trevor Thurston-Smith at Sunday, 20 November 2016 at 1:21pm GMT

Thank you, Bishop +Nicholas.

Posted by Cynthia at Sunday, 20 November 2016 at 4:36pm GMT

Great letter, and even more encouraging to see a serving Diocesan Bishop stick a head above the parapet to challenge this vicious homophobic trash. Let's hope more will follow his lead in the urgent fight against homophobic victimisation in the Church of England. Where are the silent majority?

Posted by Brenda Wallace at Sunday, 20 November 2016 at 5:25pm GMT

I welcome Nicholas Holtam's letter but where is the letter from Lambeth saying that this stunt by GafconUK is outrageous? It's a sickening stunt and the U.K. Primates ought to be saying that much.

Posted by Andrew Godsall at Sunday, 20 November 2016 at 6:32pm GMT

We in Salisbury are fortunate in our Bishop. He speaks for all of us in this messy Church of many colours, varieties of churchmanship, and legal forms of human sexuality. May the coming meetings of Bishops be a turning-point in this matter, and GAFCON be firmly sidelined.

Posted by Julia Taylor at Sunday, 20 November 2016 at 6:49pm GMT

This is an utterly disgraceful and reprehensible initiative by GAFCON and says more about the proponents (who are they? - I challenged one last week thinking that he was one, but he disclaimed any responsibility) than it does the underlying issue. It is time some light was shed on this web of organisations. GAFCON UK Task Force seems to be an unincorporated association/fellowship of some kind, not an English charity as far as I can tell. Anglican Mission in England (AMiE) is a charity. It filed its 2015 accounts late and we await its 2016 accounts. One of its trustees is 'Mr A Lines', Chair of the above referenced Task Force. Most of its income stems from a conference called ReNew, and most of its cash is held separately on behalf of that conference. Its donations presumably stem from some churches and individual supporters, although these are not disclosed, as they need not be. Mr A Lines seems to be the same person who is Mission Director of Crosslinks, a well-established Church of England mission agency. His part-time work for AMiE is acknowledged in the accounts and clearly has the support of the trustees. There is no reference to his work for the GAFCON UK Task Force, which might be more recent. Donors and supporters of Crosslinks will be aware of these other connections to the extent they have knowledge and/or read the accounts. The public benefit statements of these and any other related charities should be closely scrutinised.

Posted by Anthony Archer at Sunday, 20 November 2016 at 7:28pm GMT

I am not sure what the calls for Nicholas Holtam to repudiate Lambeth 1.10 mean. He has repeatedly spoken in favour of affirming marriage for same-sex couples (see e.g. http://www.churchnewspaper.com/25023/archives, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10087845/Opponents-of-gay-marriage-like-supporters-of-apartheid-says-senior-bishop.html).

Posted by Savi Hensman at Sunday, 20 November 2016 at 8:01pm GMT

The Bishop of Salisbury is my new hero!

Posted by Pamela Shier at Sunday, 20 November 2016 at 8:29pm GMT

Great letter by the Bishop of Salisbury.

But, what happened to his fourth point?

Posted by peterpi - Peter Gross at Sunday, 20 November 2016 at 9:46pm GMT

With Andrew Godsall I too wonder where are the most senior Church of England bishops?
Where is Cantuar? Where is Ebor?
But then I remember that they haven't shown any leadership in this area before. So I don't hope for much from them.
Thank you Sarum for stepping forward when no other bishop did.
Thank you also Anthony Archer for the accountability you bring above. Perhaps we can start making a list of those who disclaim responsibility, and so understand who is responsible?

Posted by Jeremy at Monday, 21 November 2016 at 2:03am GMT

"With Andrew Godsall I too wonder where are the most senior Church of England bishops?
Where is Cantuar? Where is Ebor?"

Supporting GAFCON in private, disingenuously remaining mute in public.

Posted by Interested Observer at Monday, 21 November 2016 at 9:44am GMT

Repudiating Lambeth 1.10 would mean accepting that it says what GAFCON say. It doesn't. It merely says that the worldwide group were not in a position to endorse same sex marriages: it does NOT say that provinces may not do so. Rather than repudiation the correct approach is just to ignore it as Sarum has rightly done.

Posted by Kate at Monday, 21 November 2016 at 10:30am GMT

Dear Gafcon

I am adding my name to that of +Nick Holtam in describing the publishing of a list of clergy and laity who have – in your terms – violated Lambeth 1.10, as outrageous. This is especially sad, since many of the churches which you represent have flagrantly flouted Lambeth 1.10 (f) and unashamedly announced that they will continue to do so; without, I may add, attracting any ‘consequences’ from the Anglican Communion.
Furthermore, publishing this list anonymously is an act of cowardice. If you are unashamed to own this rank homophobia, then the author should be most willing to put his, or her, name to it.

Yours in Christ
Penelope Cowell Doe

Posted by Penelope at Monday, 21 November 2016 at 12:34pm GMT

That BBC interview appears to consist of Nick Holtam paying out a large length of rope, having previously handed out a leaflet on how to tie knots. Well done to him.

Posted by Interested Observer at Monday, 21 November 2016 at 3:24pm GMT

Savi, yes, Holtam expressed cautious support for England to have same-sex civil marriage: he didn't vote for it in the House of Lords; and then said that any priest in his diocese who contracted such a marriage faced discipline.*

Holtam could explicitly condemn the homophobic Lambeth motion, and guarantee that no LGB priest in Salisbury will face discipline, all without threatening his position or his livelihood. To date, he hasn't.

* http://www.salisbury.anglican.org/news/bishops-pastoral-guidance-same-sex-marriage

Posted by James Byron at Monday, 21 November 2016 at 3:27pm GMT

Kate / Savi - playing with legalistic stances hasn't got us far out of the hypocrisy that has harmed so many. Liberal bishops have to be open and honest and say Lambeth 1.10 is wrong if they really believe it is wrong in any part. Without that honesty, what now happens is GAFCON gets Canterbury to assure them further examples of naughty behaviour won't be forthcoming. Better to be honest & start a new, liberal, global communion than wasting time with legalese and fake unity.

Posted by S Cooper at Monday, 21 November 2016 at 4:29pm GMT

"he didn't vote for it in the House of Lords" says James Byron.

He wasn't a member of the House of Lords until 20 months after it was voted on.

Posted by Gerry Lynch at Monday, 21 November 2016 at 10:41pm GMT

Gerry, thanks for the correction, and my apologies for the error. I went from his consecration, and will double-check the rules on seniority in future.

Posted by James Byron at Tuesday, 22 November 2016 at 1:39am GMT
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