Comments: Civil Partnerships: a look back at 2007

If you want something from the old Church of England website, the Wayback Machine should have archived a copy.

Posted by Kate at Sunday, 29 April 2018 at 9:49pm BST

This extract from your post, Simon, seems to still haunt the pastoral intentions of the Church of England's Bishops - despite the praiseworthy efforts of the few bishops who have spoken openly about the aetiology of homosexuality and its implications for a proper theology of relationships to be promulgated by the Church:

"- The House of Bishops’ statement of December 1991 – Issues in Human Sexuality – which states that ‘heterosexuality and homosexuality are not equally congruous with the observed order of Creation or with the insights of revelation as the Church engages with these in the light of her pastoral ministry’, that the conscientious decision of those who enter into homophile relationships must be respected and that the Church must not ‘reject those who sincerely believe it is God’s call to them’. Nevertheless, because of ‘the distinctive nature of their calling, status and consecration’ the clergy ‘cannot claim the liberty to enter into sexually active homophile relationships’ "

This outdated understanding of human sexual orientations needs to be addressed with a great deal more sensitivity and pastoral care.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Monday, 30 April 2018 at 12:29am BST

The Church is tearing itself apart trying to find rules by which it can judge couples. Some people believe couple X-X should be judged suitable for marriage ; others will judge the couple unsuitable. Judgement. None of us are wise enough to do it. The tears in fabric of the Church are an inevitable consequence of the over-reach. We should stop trying to define marriage, stop acting as gatekeeper : none of us has sufficient wisdom to get it 100% right.


Posted by Kate at Monday, 30 April 2018 at 8:35am BST

Sometimes you just have to move on and leave people and statements behind.....I think that is what a lot of us are already doing....its usually the way that change comes anyway.

Posted by Robert Ellis at Monday, 30 April 2018 at 9:04am BST

What short memories we have! Tom Wright and John Sentamu in the House of Lords, doing their utmost to derail civil partnerships, and various evangelical bishops (Dow, Forster and Benn, to name but three) creating a 'hostile environment' worthy of the UK Home Office, with Carey carping from the sidelines. Then a 'greater evil' came along, in the form of same-sex marriage, and all the rhetoric and exegesis was quietly kicked into the long grass. It would be funny if it were not for the lasting damage all this has done to so many gifted people and those they love - and who love them.

Posted by Michael Mulhern at Monday, 30 April 2018 at 1:19pm BST

I've spent some time on google using various search terms to try to find any statement by either of the two archbishops in the 2000s (speech, sermon, newspaper article etc) in support of civil partnerships prior to passage. I have failed. We cannot, of course, access the synod documents from the period, which used to be available on line. Perhaps one of them made a speech in Synod to indicate the broad support for civil partnerships, which Mr Nye's letter refers to? Has anyone else had better luck?

Posted by Grumpy High Churchwoman at Monday, 30 April 2018 at 4:08pm BST

Baroness Deta O’Cathain was chair of the Chichester Cathedral Council at the time. You may imagine how some of us on the Council felt!

Posted by Richard Ashby at Monday, 30 April 2018 at 8:34pm BST

Kate, Could you please elaborate, for those of us less technologically brilliant than yourself, how to view the old website?

Posted by T Pott at Monday, 30 April 2018 at 11:33pm BST
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