Comments: General Synod and Sexuality on Saturday afternoon

"Dear LGBTQ people,

Here is some nice long grass for you.


The Business Committee."

Posted by Jeremy at Thursday, 14 June 2018 at 5:30pm BST

So another two years of nothing - not even discussion is permitted.

Posted by Kate at Thursday, 14 June 2018 at 6:43pm BST

We have an expression in New Zealand: "Anglican Fudge". Is this what's happening in Mother Church?

I suggest that every member of General Synod be required (as homework) to watch the excellent and inspiring videos linked on a recent thread on TA to the aftermath of Lizzie's suicide.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Friday, 15 June 2018 at 10:06am BST

Some ten years ago, when I was talking to our Mothers' Union Group, who wanted me to tell them what had happened at General Synod, I mentioned that the subject of same-sex relationships had come up. All hell broke loose. Would I marry a same-sex couple? I said I would not. All but one of the twenty women present thought it was a disgrace that we discriminated in this way and I had to say that I have publicly supported equal marriage since 1980, but it is illegal to conduct such a ceremony in the Church of England. It would not be recognized in law as a valid marriage. But I reflected on the fact that almost all of these people had family, or friends, or friends' children who are LGBTI. Even in a group that might be considered to be older and more conservative, this is no longer an issue. Or rather, it becomes a more and more embarrassing issue, as the Church's formal stance seems to increasing grate against what seems right and just and true. Further delay is deeply frustrating and it makes us seem more and more irrelevant to society at large, and the grass of the next two years does indeed seem very long. Yet 2020 will have to be a moment of reckoning for the CofE. General Synod will not put this on their agenda for debate before then, but the rest of us can talk about it. When equal marriage was going through Parliament, I wrote a detailed letter to my MP outlining the case for equal marriage, from a Christian and biblical point of view. She replied that she had found my letter really helpful, as she had had so many letters from Christians putting the opposite point of view and it was helpful to understand that equal marriage can be seen as a right and proper response to the teaching of Jesus. Far from not discussing these things until 2020, it will be important to firmly put the inclusive case over the next two years, not least because there will be elections to a new General Synod in 2020. I am reminded of the wonderful speech made by the Bishop of Uppsala to her Synod, when the Church of Sweden was debating equal marriage. She said that for centuries the Church had been proclaiming that all are one in Christ and how wonderful it was that society, in allowing equal marriage, had now caught up with that teaching.

Posted by Nigel LLoyd at Friday, 15 June 2018 at 10:35am BST

LGBTQI inclusion won't be discussed until the infamous teaching document comes down from on high from mostly straight, male, and cisgendered people.

The teaching document needs to be deeply INFORMED by discussions in your GS and beyond!!!!

CoE, always putting the cart before the horse. If that document doesn't embody "radical inclusion" as defined by the excluded people (not people speaking for us, without us). Then it's a colossal waste of time. Which perhaps is the point of the exercise.

Posted by Cynthia at Friday, 15 June 2018 at 9:11pm BST

Radical new Christian inclusion =
1. Tell TEC not to normalise same sex marriage any more
2. Block all discussion within CofE for 3 years.

Posted by Kate at Friday, 15 June 2018 at 10:31pm BST

Calling this farce Kabuki theater would be to give it too much credit.

Given Canterbury's unity at any cost dogma, the content of the "teaching document" is a foregone conclusion: it won't recommend equal marriage, end imposed celibacy for priests in same-sex relationships, or accept gay relationships as being equal to straight relationships.

That being so, what possible reason is there to accept yet more delays? Change will have to be forced through against the English bishops' will, whether that's in 2020, or beyond: in which case, why not put all effort into that, instead of wasting time going through these empty motions?

Posted by James Byron at Saturday, 16 June 2018 at 6:28am BST
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