Comments: A binding covenant?

Does "star chamber" have the same, universally negative connotations in the UK that it has in the US?

Since one oft-heard conservative complaint is that liberals say the words to the creeds but don't believe them, how will this accomplish anything? I suppose it depends on the content of the agreement, but the one I saw was pretty vague.

Posted by Ruidh at Saturday, 16 October 2004 at 7:21pm BST

I think, in general, that 'star chamber' is a negative term, yes, implying an arbitrary exercise of power. I fancy it is sometimes used in a not quite so negative way and meaning something a little less arbitrary. Ruth Gledhill, though, must surely have had the negative aspect in mind, it seems to me.

Posted by Simon Kershaw at Saturday, 16 October 2004 at 10:30pm BST

I don't know about the US connotations of "star chamber," but I think that this ("Anglican provinces are to be told they must sign an unbreakable unity agreement") will remind more than a few Yanks of a (Joseph) McCarthy-esque "loyalty oath." (Or a Tudor-era oath of allegiance, for that matter: I pray we Episcopalians don't lose our heads for refusing to sign!)

I still say that ECUSA should just declare that--no matter what--we *are in communion* w/ the AC, and let the chips fall where they may. At any Anglican altar (anywhere), expatriate Episcopalians should answer _Christ's_ invitation to "take and eat." Wherever AC bishops meet, ours show up, and attempt to "sit-in." (Send our delegation to the ACC, etc.--maybe wearing pink triangles? {g})

It's time to lay a little Gandhian/Kingian non-violence on 'em, and see if--in the _crux_ of the matter--the AC decides to side with the Prince of Peace, or the Master of Lies.

Posted by J. C. Fisher at Sunday, 17 October 2004 at 11:34pm BST

"Star chamber" has pretty uniformly negative connotations in the US: secret trials, lack of due process, inability to confront witnesses, inavailability of appeal -- pretty much what we've been doing to the detainees in Guantanamo.

We'll see the report in a few hours and we'll see if "star chamber" is Ms. Gledhill's own term or not.

Posted by Ruidh at Monday, 18 October 2004 at 4:09am BST