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GS: another briefing on the Anglican Covenant

Fulcrum has published an article by Andrew Goddard The Anglican Covenant – A Briefing Paper for the Evangelical Group on General Synod.

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Very reasonable and well thought-out statement from Dr Goddard

– these OPEN evangelicals like Dr Goddard are not that different to me, you know! Sorry for those hoping to divide us and conquer the CofE!

And for those who try to dismiss others for being African or “pagan-rooted” or want to question the “education” of conservatives from the GS, I hope Dr Goddard’s credentials are good enough for you (just as the GS Primates’ academic credentials are superior to those on TA who would question their theology)

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“These OPEN evangelicals like Dr Goddard are not that different to me, you know!”

Have you checked out Goddard’s 2006 “Fulcrum” piece on homophobia?

http://www.fulcrum-anglican.org.uk/news/2006/docs.cfm?fname=20060524goddard&format=pdf&option=inline

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My response to Andrew Goddard’s statement is on Fulcrum itself, here:

http://www.fulcrum-anglican.org.uk/forum/thread.cfm?thread=3711

And the debate continues here:

http://www.fulcrum-anglican.org.uk/forum/thread.cfm?thread=2937

Simply events keep moving on, and the perceived need for a Covenant is disappearing quickly, never mind its divisive nature even in its preparation.

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Yes, Lapin….completely agree with Dr G on that too unless you describe this “phobia” as diagreeing with you!

(I employ people regardless of orientation….just would not ordain them!)

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It was not a dismissal of the “pagan-rooted” but an observation about African spirituality. I did not question the education of anyone – that was raised by you, NP. You know, I think your strategy is to bang on about something so often that it becomes the reality. Often people who do this are doing it to convince themselves. It certainly does not convince me. The broken record technique is well known, and it is also a source of distortion.

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Pluralist…I am not too worried about convincing myself –

I see Dromantine, TWR, the Tanzania Communique, the upcoming covenant….and hundreds of people in my church 5 out of 7 days per week…….I see more than enough evidence not to be nervous of my position.

Note, when TEC or Dr Giles Fraser say something with which you might agree, I don’t start questioning their education of thought framework etc….I don’t need to undermine them in this way in order to point out what I see as fallacious in certain arguments made

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“I see more than enough evidence not to be nervous of my position.” What an odd thing to say! You think the “left” has reason to be nervous of its position? Why? What’s to be nervous about? Would you be nervous if the majority of the ever shrinking group of Englishmen who go to church at all didn’t go to Evo churches? Would that actually cause you to doubt? And explain how it can be called success to be popular with an ever shrinking group of people. The math is simple: fewer Englishmen go to church than ever, that number… Read more »

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Ford – if you read what Pluralist said, you will see why I respond talking about nerves. And, maybe a shrinking no of Brits come along because of all the damage done by people who have made up a wishy-washy, powerless message over decades? Not many people want to hear a made up message, however nice and inclusive the people teaching it are, I am afraid. And maybe the growth we have seen in evo circles in the last 50 years is a sign that even the English (including the young English) will come along if there is a clear… Read more »

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“It is a total fallacy that watering down scriptures for a century…….which is why I see liberals in my synod so irritated” I think there’s a lot about the EVos that irritates liberals, NP, you must have learned some of those things by now. And who’s “watering down” scripture? A desire to remain faithful to the Gospel Tradition is not watering it down, NP, any more than your legalism is. “even the English (including the young English) will come along if there is a clear presentation of the gospel?” What planet are you on? First, every Liberal I have ever… Read more »