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CEEC on the Americans

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The Church of England Evangelical Council has published a Statement on The Episcopal Church’s Response to the Primates and the Lambeth Conference.

You can read that here.

To understand who the members of the CEEC are, read this page. To understand how members get to become members, see over here.

The Daily Telegraph has reported this in C of E faces boycott over gay priests row by Jonathan Petre.

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MadPriest
13 years ago

“The Church of England Evangelical Council” – it sounds so impressive. It sounds like it is a respectable and official Church of England agency. But, of course, it’s not. It’s just another pressure group, like Affirming Catholicism or The Inclusive Church, but, unlike other groups, with an obvious willingness to pretend to be something it is not.

It should have a warning on all its products – CAUTION, THIS ORGANISATION CONTAINS PHILIP GIDDINGS.

NP
NP
13 years ago

madpriest – lots of organisations give themselves presumptuous names eg “THE Episcopal Church”…..

Dr Giddings is a charming man – you met him?

Mynsterpreost (=David Rowett)
Mynsterpreost (=David Rowett)
13 years ago

Madpriest observed>
CAUTION, THIS ORGANISATION CONTAINS PHILIP GIDDINGS

PG once interviewed me for a chaplaincy. Not surprising I didn’t get it, even taking into account my ineptitude!!!

Frozenchristian
Frozenchristian
13 years ago

Don’t be fooled into thinking this bunch speak for all or even most evangelicals. CEEc was taken over by Reform years ago because open evangelicals did not spot the entryism going on.

CEEC is chaired by Richard Turnbull, the well known personnel and management guru, and includes Wally Benn and Philip Giddings.

drdanfee
drdanfee
13 years ago

Do not the survey results from the Barna youth poll recently published clearly report that the youth are accurately catching on to just these sorts of self-tagged orthodoxists, aka evangelical conservative leaders/believers? Is it time for the royals and Parliament to step in, supporting Rowan Williams in keeping CoE together without making special, doctrinally distorted and tinted con-evo (or New Puritan?) windows into human souls? Re Dr. Giddings and others. I care little how nice they are personally. I do hope they are as nice as they can or may be. That is off the larger moral point, which involves… Read more »

Cheryl Va. Clough
13 years ago

David

Sometimes the biggest compliment someone can give you is to reject you and refuse to associate with you.

I often go “Phew! I won’t have to deal with that one!” A bit like when the cantakerous aunt refuses to come to the wedding as she doesn’t approve of some of the guests.

Jesus wedding parable also comes to mind. The rich and powerful refused to come so the halls were filled with the poor from the streets 🙂

Robert Ian Williams
Robert Ian Williams
13 years ago

Do we see here the nucleus of a future ” Confessing Evangelical Anglican free province ” which will emerge in the wake of women bishops, and use homosexuality controversy as its catalyst to win over more moderate evangelicals?

Are Forward in faith keeping silent on the issue so they will be rewarded by a free diocese?

John Berg
John Berg
13 years ago

I find the Episcopal Church of USA a very honest statement of what it claims to be: I do find The Church of England to be a much more presumptuous title. As names for a province of the Anglican Church I much prefer the quote from the creed used in various provinces in Asia eg Nippon Sei Ko Kai.

Matthew B
Matthew B
13 years ago

Goodness, this reads like a roll call of consevos: +Wallace Benn, Turnbull/Vibert of Wycliffe Hall fame, David Banting, Philip Giddings, Chris Sugden, Paul Perkin, Angus MacLeay… I note that Bishop Pete Broadbent, who often helpfully posts on TA, is on the council, though it looks as if his measured standpoint is in a distinct minority. ‘We support the intentions of the Common Cause Council and those bishops invited to give pastoral care for congregations in the United States.’ Support for meddling intervention in foreign provinces. I wonder how long before similar principles are applied here? ‘We support those Bishops who… Read more »

Ford Elms
Ford Elms
13 years ago

“a charming man”

Read Genesis. Not only men can be charming. “Beguiled” means much the same as “charmed”, NP. Frankly, when I stand before the Throne, I don’t want to have to say something like “The Conservative Evangelical beguiled me, and I did eat.”

NP
NP
13 years ago

Dear Ford…. I was just trying to prevent any “reviling” of PG – I know you hate to see that (unless it is focussed on Akinola or Jensen or even the insignificant NP?) Robert – nice to see the old, hoped-for “open” vs “conservative” evo split mentioned again…Pluralist used to very keen on this. I thought Fulcrum’s responses to TEC HOB NO statements had shown everyone that the “open” evos were not fooled by doublespeak…… not really worth hoping to split Reform and the so-called “open” evos as the issue always comes down to the authority of scripture and, as… Read more »

Matthew B
Matthew B
13 years ago

‘not really worth hoping to split Reform and the so-called “open” evos’ Too late. We’ve seen at Wycliffe where the neo-Puritan cultural and theological maxims of Reform are leading – the ruthless elimination of dissent. The chief difference in between the evangelical groups lies in they way they handle disagreement: you seem to have forgotten why Fulcrum and similar organisations were founded… Drdanfree makes the point nicely. We should recall where Puritan power play led in the Civil War. When the Puritan Party got the upper hand in England, they demonstrated their love for the authority of Scripture by executing… Read more »

NP
NP
13 years ago

Matthew B – have I missed some mythical Reform report which shows they plan to execute their opponents and seize power in England???

All that Reform and Fulcrum both want (that is conservatives and open evos) is for vicars and bishops to stick to the scriptures….

If CofE leaders cannot stick to the scriptures or dispute their meaning, they should at least stick to the agreed positions of the CofE….that would show some integrity, would it not?

Prior Aelred
13 years ago

Matthew B —

Quite — that has been the pattern so far — they always leave when they can’t achieve power — this time they are hoping to win (but of course they will self destruct as the insufficiently pure must be expelled, etc., etc.).

Frozenchristian
Frozenchristian
13 years ago

NP – don’t you remember that meeting after the Blackpool evangelical conference when Reform said that next time no open evangelicals should be allowed and that they should be ‘blown out of the water’?

NP
NP
13 years ago

Frozenchristian – no, I do not remember what you say….pls provide a link to show the quote behind your recollection

Simon Sarmiento
13 years ago

Try this link:
http://tinyurl.com/ynmgor

NP
NP
13 years ago

Thanks for the link, Simon…..it shows that Frozen’s quotation is not quite accurate, does it not? Your link says somebody said the idea that evangelicalism consists of 3 strands (open, charismatic and mainstream) should be blown out of the water…..Frozen alleged that it was said that “they (open evos) should be ‘blown out of the water'” Slight difference in linkng the quote with the people rather than what it was actually about. Anyway – are evos split (as some hope)? -I see Fulcrum & Reform agree on whether VGR is qualified to be a bishop (accoring to the bible, not… Read more »

Stephen Roberts
Stephen Roberts
13 years ago

“Don’t think “open” and conservative” evos have been successfully split….even if many hoped that could be pulled off”

The split will happen when Reform walks out of the Church of England. The “battle” isn’t open vs. conservative, or even catholic vs. evangelical – it is centre vs. extreme and discussion vs. dogma. Many open evangelicals will stay within the CofE because talking is better than walking.

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