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House of Bishops tied in knots over gay bishops

Updated again Friday 3 June

Andrew Brown, writing in the Guardian, has a report headlined Church of England tied in knots over allowing gay men to become bishops.

A meeting of Church of England bishops in York this week has broken up without agreement on whether gay clergy should ever be allowed to be chosen for promotion to bishoprics.

The leadership of the established church remains tied in knots over how far it can comply with the Equality Act in its treatment of gay people. Church lawyers have told the bishops that while they cannot take into account that someone is homosexual in considering them for preferment, they also cannot put forward clergy in active same-sex relationships and, even if they are celibate, must consider whether they can “act as a focus for unity” to their flocks if appointed to a diocese.

Conservative evangelicals remain bitterly opposed to the ordination of gay people, even though many clergy are more or less openly gay, and some are in same-sex partnerships…

The report continues with details of

…an anguished and devastating memorandum written by the Very Rev Colin Slee, the former dean of Southwark Cathedral, shortly before his death from pancreatic cancer last November. Dr Rowan Williams, the archbishop of Canterbury, and John Sentamu, the archbishop of York, vetoed candidates from becoming bishops of the south London diocese…

And it concludes by mentioning that

The House of Bishops sought legal advice to discover whether it would be illegal to deny John a job. A briefing in December from the Church House legal department appears to state that though it would be illegal to discriminate against him because he is a celibate gay person, it was perfectly in order to discriminate against him because there are Christians who cannot accept gay people.

The briefing states: “It is not open to a crown nominations committee or a bishop making a suffragan appointment to propose someone who is in a sexually active same-sex relationship; it is not open to them to take into account the mere fact that someone is gay by sexual orientation.”

Original documents:

Colin Slee’s memorandum

Legal memorandum

Friday update

The Church Times has its own report on these documents: House of Bishops divided on keeping out homosexuals (and scroll down for a second article, Slee: tears shed after angry talks).

And a further update, a week later:

There is another copy of Colin Slee’s memorandum that is slightly longer, available via this page.

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Rosemary Hannah
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If you find yourself lying, bulling and manipulating, it is time for a reality check. It is not and never can be the will of God. When you start down a path which is the wrong path, and you get into this kind of situation, then you stop. You repent. However foolish you end up looking.

Matthew Duckett
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Matthew Duckett

“Though it would be illegal to discriminate against him because he is a celibate gay person, it was perfectly in order to discriminate against him because there are Christians who cannot accept gay people.” OK that’s Andrew Brown’s summary of the essence of what was said, but it makes the point. Substitute “black” for “gay” and see how far it gets you.

rjb
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rjb

What a sad parody of Christian fellowship.

“They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.”

Counterlight
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Counterlight

When persuasion fails, there’s always intimidation.

I don’t think even the most aggressive satirist could have come up with the image of the two Archbishops choosing the next Bishop of Southwark in a men’s room.

Fr Levi
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To quote from the Guardian article: ‎’A briefing in December from the Church House legal department appears to state that though it would be illegal to discriminate against him because he is a celibate gay person, it was perfectly in order to discriminate against him because there are Christians who cannot accept gay people.’ The mind boggles. Apply that to any and all other categories of people and it sounds like a licence to discriminate – all you have to do is say ‘we’re not discriminating against you, but we think that there are others who can’t accept you.’

Father Ron Smith
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I’ll have another go at this one. apparently my last effort got ‘lost in the posting’? Andrew Brown’s article – about Dean Colin Slee’s memo (a poignant ‘message from beyond the grave’ – will surely put the cat among the pigeons in the hierarchy of the Church of England. Such goings-on at a meeting discussing the Church’s policy on the election of Bishops must cause some consternation in the House of Bishops at least. The overt complicity between two Archbishops of the Mother Church of England, all to ensure that Dean Jeffrey John didn’t get the chance to become bishop… Read more »

JPM
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JPM

Now can we drop the notion that Rowan Williams is a gentle academic whose warm, Christ-like heart recoils from all types of ugliness?

It seems that his true character has been revealed here.

Dan Barnes-Davies
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“…because there are Christians who cannot accept gay people.”! No, there are Christians who refuse to accept LGBT people. They CAN and SHOULD accept gay people.

The time has long since passed for the leaders of our great church to do some real Good, rather than sit idly by and continue to do Evil (by omission) in their stubborn refusal to act positively.

Leonardo Ricardo
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It was bound to happen. Tantrums, punishment, discrimination, threatened ego(s) and plain olde prancing and grandstanding TRYING to keep Lambeths fading image/credibility from falling down, down, down…alas, all the Queens horses and men can´t put ++Rowans cracked, finagalled and pasted Anglican Covenant back together again…what a tangled web he weaves as he attempts to deceive…may be best to abandon a sinking ship and surrender in defeat and let the sun shine in!

Prior Aelred
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Maybe if Yanks in The Episcopal Church can be persuaded to adopt the Anglican Covenant, TEC can become as open, honest, transparent & gracious as the CofE.

Seriously — this is appalling (IMHO) — no way to run any organization with integrity — much less one that is supposed to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ, who came to redeem us ALL! (But that’s just me …)

Father David
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Father David

Anyone interested in starting a “Jeffrey John for Dunelm” petition – I’d certainly sign it!

Matthew Duckett
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Matthew Duckett

I should point out, re: my comment above, that discrimination on the grounds of sexuality and race are both present in the Church of England but are not equivalent. It has quite correctly been pointed out to me that there are quite a number of gay people in leadership in the C of E (albeit not openly) but not many black people.

Fr John
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Fr John

How sad is an understatement of a fiasco that does so much harm to our beloved church, and above all the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I have always the highest respect for Colin Slee, and Jeffrey John, and when chaplain of Kings College Hospital London, was honoured to be part of the Southwark family. From beyond the grave Colin speaks as he always did with Christian love, and I look forward to the fact that the Church Times is reporting the matter tomorrow. Now retired living with beloved civil partner, I pray this revelation will show the hurt that is… Read more »

Prior Aelred
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Father David — ditto!

Colin Coward
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My comments on behalf of Changing Attitude England can be found on our blog: Collusion, dishonesty, ignorance and stupidity are the marks of the House of Bishops

http://changingattitude.org.uk/archives/3531

Benedict
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Benedict

Reading the postings on this website, I have to ask myself, how many of us, apart from the regular bloggers, actually believe all that is written in the press, apart from those who wish to use such as fodder against our two Archbishops who already have a difficult enough job to do without ill considered snipes from those who disagree with them.

Lapinbizarre
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Lapinbizarre

Wonder if this might affect the Archbishop’s moral authority on the issues of women bishops and the Covenant.

Perry Butler
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Perry Butler

I should imagine many people will be dismayed by this. Where is the “truth in the inward parts” demanded by the psalmist??? In a secular organization it would be appalling but this is supposedly an organisation that claims to be the Body of Christ, the sign and instrument of the Kingdom etc…Sadly more and more people of intelligence and sensitivity will just want nothing to do with it.

Lister Tonge
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Lister Tonge

Not the best of news for the Feast of St Augustine of Canterbury.

Rick+
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So, let me get this straight. Discrimination in and of itself is wrong, but the church must honor someone else’s wish to discriminate. This is pretty tortured logic, even for lawyers and theologians.

Doxy
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Doxy

Father David–I think I’d rather start a petition calling on +Cantuar and +York to resign…

The most shocking thing to me was that it appears that +Cantaur himself (or his high-ranking staff) leaked the news about the John+ and Holtham+ recommendations, and then seemed to imply that Dean Slee had done the leaking. “Shameful” is the only word that applies.

Paul Edelin
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“The leadership of the established church also remains tied in knots over how far it can comply with the Equality Act in its treatment of”…women.

Heaven help the Church of England to modernise itself just a little bit!

Sue Slater
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Sue Slater

Thank you for letting us read Colin Slee’s memorandum. However we seem to have one page twice, and the last page missing.

peterpi - Peter Gross
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peterpi - Peter Gross

1) The Guardian noted that eventually Christopher Chessun was appointed. So, Bishop Chessun, through no apparent action of his own, comes to the diocese under a cloud. Through no defect or inappropriate behavior on his part, perhaps some members of the diocese will view him with disquiet, unease, or distrust. Somehow, despite all the backbiting and recrimination that preceded his appointment, he is supposed to “act as a focus of unity”. If Dr. Johns had been chosen after publicly spirited debate, and without all the behind-the-scenes maneuvering, I suspect he would have had a much easier time acting as a… Read more »

JPM
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JPM

If Williams and Sentamu have any honor at all, they will resign.

Jonathan Kirkpatrick
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Jonathan Kirkpatrick

Dear Colin, quick brained and quick witted, fearless and forthright, seeking openness and integrity in the Church and confronting people only with their own hypocrisy. That’s why he could never be a Bishop of the Church. This tale makes me so sad and does nothing to ease my love/hate relationship with the Church of which I am a part and which is so much a part of me. I still maintain that the real Rowan Williams has been abducted by aliens and a look alike left in his place. I’m now wondering if the AB of Y has suffered the… Read more »

Bill Dilworth
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Bill Dilworth

Just to play the Devil’s — um, Archbishop’s — Advocate here, the memo itself isn’t absolute proof of the actions it describes. Have other (living) participants come forward to confirm it?

Rosemary Hannah
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It is bullying. And the heart of bullying is the failure to see others as fully human, and to treat them as fully human. The picture is of a church becoming increasingly hierarchical, with the men at the top unable to recognise the humanity of others. It is a shameful picture and it is so believable because it reflects too clearly the image of church as top-down authority proposed by the Covenant.

Leonardo Ricardo
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As for Dr. Williams: I lost trust in him and admiration for him years ago– no need to count the many ways he has deceived and abused heterosexual women and LGBTI people worldwide…let it be said (again) that many of our Anglican brothers and sisters are unable to defend themselves and are publically humiliated, physically tormented, despised, raped and even murdered thanks, in part, to sloppy/irresponsible shepherding jobs at The Anglican Communion (Jamaica, Uganda, Nigeria and Iraq come to mind). As for Dr. Sentamu: I lost trust in him and admiration for him years ago– there is something particularly disturbing… Read more »

badman
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badman

The legal advice, which is unsigned, is a curious amalgam of special pleading and incorrect statements of law in what is, admittedly, a complex and specialist field. This advice would not last five minutes in a Court of law. However, it is unlikely that it will ever be challenged because no one with standing to sue will sue. It would be my hope that the bishops would approach this as a moral question and not a legal one. But, if they do approach it as a legal question, I do hope that they do not proceed on the basis of… Read more »

jnwall
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jnwall

Principled as it may seem to demand the resignation of the ABC, my understanding is that this would only make matters worse.

I believe the CofE alternates between “catholics” and “evangelicals” in appointments as ABC and ++Rowan is the catholic appointment.

Heaven help us if an evangelical gets to be ABC before the waters calm down over the matter of gay people in the church.

Fr John
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Fr John

Peter,

I agree with every word you have written. Bishop Chessun, Jeffrey John, and Bishop elect Nick are certainly in my prayers.

Being a senior citizen I remember when John Sentamu arrived as a curate at Herne Hill South London

Father Ron Smith
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“Under these conditions, a gay candidate must have been celibate all his life or have repented of his former lifestyle. It is not enough to live blamelessly with or without a partner. No attempt is made in the advice to equate these conditions with those required of a heterosexual candidate, particularly with reference to his sexual past.” – Church Times article on legal questions – I’ve just noticed this lttle gem in the C.T. article – on the legalities concerning the degree of acceptability for a gay person to be appointed a bishop in the Church of England. If one… Read more »

Erika Baker
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Erika Baker

“Heaven help us if an evangelical gets to be ABC before the waters calm down over the matter of gay people in the church.”

In what respect could it possibly get worse?

Lindsay
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Lindsay

Interesting definition of a Bishop as a focus of unity applied here. Does this mean we cannot have anyone as a Bishop unless absolutely everyone in the CofE (possibly) the Anglican Communion is satisfied they agree with the candidate appointed in every aspect of their life, spiritual, theological, financial, personal, sexual etc.? Does this mean that even if the Women Bishop Legislation passes, even with its heavy handed provisions, the appointment of any such woman could be blocked purely because someone somewhere in the Cof E church finds that unacceptable? My understanding of Bishop as focus of unity is that… Read more »

Lindsay
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Lindsay

Ooh – I disagree fundamentally with the provision of PEV’s who I perceive as a clear focus for disunity… does that mean they can’t be appointed???

Erika Baker
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Erika Baker

The focus of unity would be someone who could integrate those whose views are diametrically opposed.
Systematically excluding one group of people for the sake of unity is the opposite of that and a contradiction in terms.

JPM
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JPM

jnwall, is there really any difference between having an evangelical archbishop and having a catholic archbishop who does whatever the evangelicals tell him to do?

John-Julian, OJN
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John-Julian, OJN

I say: “Jeffrey John for next ABC!”

Colin Coward
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I would confidently name 13 bishops as being gay, meaning over 10% of bishops in England are gay. How any of the 13 live with themselves, their inner world and truth, in the aftermath of yesterday’s revelations, I can’t imagine. Supporters and trustees of Changing Attitude are understandably angry and depressed. One commented: “Yesterday’s brouhaha is objectively good news for our struggle and is a cause for celebration. It has made our opponents look contemptible. It has made the hierarchy look simultaneously weak and cruel. The main gay victim, Jeffrey John, has been made to look almost Christlike in his… Read more »

Savi Hensman
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Savi Hensman

For some reason I have been unable to access the legal advice on Scribd, but from the Church Times summary, I think – following badman’s and others’ points – that it is most unlikely to be correct.

Fr Mark
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Fr Mark

Lindsay, I agree; this “focus of unity” stuff is such rubbish.

Graham Dow, Michael Nazir-Ali, George Carey, Tom Wright, Michael Scott-Joynt – you couldn’t find a more divisive group of loud-mouthed opinionated men, and yet they all apparently met the “focus of unity” criterion. Far better to have as a criterion “person of integrity,” but, then oh dear, would anyone currently wearing a mitre merit keeping it?

Leonardo Ricardo
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I say: “Jeffrey John for next ABC!” John-Julian, OJN

Exactly. I thought of this yesterday too. It´s time that blatant honesty replaces blatant deceit at The Anglican Communion. Let the bigots fall where they may.

jnwall
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jnwall

JPM, if George Carey (after all, the architect of Lambeth 1.10) had been ABC the past 8 years, he would have allied himself personally and publicly with the GAFCON bishops, ostracized and excluded TEC and the Church of Canada from the Anglican Communion, and done everything in his power to preclude the possibility of gay people ever achieving any degree of public affirmation within the Anglican Communion.

He actually has done all those things, to the limit of his abilities, diminished now only by the fact that he does not live in Lambeth Palace any longer.

Nat
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Nat

We see what comes of trying to placate the bullies. Chamberlain proved this half a century ago…

Bill Ghrist
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Bill Ghrist

I can’t say that I find the legal jiggery-pokery all that surprising. After all, isn’t that pretty much the principle behind the Anglican Covenant? (I don’t say that I find it palatable, just unsurprising.)

Richard Ashby
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Richard Ashby

‘…it was perfectly in order to discriminate against him because there are Christians who cannot accept gay people.’ Such opinion completely overturns the outcome of the recent bed and breakfast case and nullifies the intentions of the Equalities Act. Weasel words from Lambeth.

JPM
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JPM

jnwall, it seems to me that Rowan’s covenant is designed precisely to do all of those things George Carey would do, but with a a bit of conciliar window-dressing.

I agree with you about Carey, by the way. He’s pretty awful. My heart bleeds for the Church of England–could any institution, even a great one, survive being “led” first by Carey and then by Williams?

Rod Gillis
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Rod Gillis

The Canadian diocese of Nova Scotia and Prince Edwards Island, the oldest Canadian Diocese and third largest, passed the motion below this weekend past at its diocesan synod. The diocese now joins seven other Canadian diocese that have made provision for the blessing of same sex couples in some fashion or other. The motion means that same sex couples who are civilly married (by law allowed everywhere in the Country) may now have their marriages blessed in the diocese in accordance with episcopal guideline. The Marriage Canon of the Anglican Church of Canada still prohibits clergy form actually marrying same… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
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Perhaps, as Rod Gills here intimates, the Churches of the Communion that have made decisions that conflict with the provisions of the Covenant ought just quietly to continue with their implementation of their understanding of the Gospel in situ. At least, their acceptance of ‘outsiders’ will be completely consonant with the command of Jesus, to “love one another as I have loved you. This is how “(the world) will know that you’re my disciples – that you love one another.”