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more reports on AMiE

Updated Friday morning

Savi Hensman has written for Cif belief When is Gafcon going to start listening?

Religious ultra-“conservatives” have launched an Anglican Mission in England (Amie). This is “dedicated to the conversion of England and biblical church planting”.

Leaders of Gafcon (Global Anglican Future Conference) and FCA (Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans) see themselves as championing traditional Anglicanism. Others regard them as out of step with church tradition, and object to their attempts to undermine others in the family of churches making up the Anglican Communion.

In May, a statement was issued by the council of primates (most senior bishops) of Gafcon/FCA, which lamented “the promotion of a shadow gospel that appears to replace a traditional reading of Holy Scriptures and a robust theology of the church with an uncertain faith and a never ending listening process”. Yet for many, the “listening process” on sexuality never truly started…

In this week’s Divine Dispatches Riazat Butt writes about AMiE:

If You Seek Amie then you’ve come to the right place. Amie is of course an acronym for the Anglican Mission in England – not to be confused with Amie – The Associate Member of the Institute of Engineers. And what a misnomer of an acronym it is. What’s that saying? Beware of strangers bearing gifts. Amie states, not at all ominously, that its intention is to support “those who have been alienated so that they can remain within the Anglican family. Churches or individuals may join or affiliate themselves with the Amie for a variety of reasons. Some may be churches in impaired communion with their diocesan bishop who require oversight. Others may be in good relations with their bishop but wish to identify with and support others.”

So, in non-Anglican parlance, this means if you don’t like your bishop you can have another one that fits more neatly with your world view. They don’t even have to be a bishop in the Church of England. I have three words for you – cross-border intervention. I also have four words for you – church within a church. What do the sages at Lambeth Palace and Bishopthorpe have to say about this parking of tanks on the CoE lawn? I’ll tell you – nothing! What should they say? Get off my land, that’s what.

Update

The Church Times has the headline: Group names five bishops ready to defy diocesans.

…The three unnamed clerics were ordained in Kenya on 11 June by the Archbishop of Kenya, Dr Eliud Wabukala, who chairs the GAFCON Primates’ Council, formed after the Global Anglican conference in Jerusalem in 2008. All three come from the diocese of Southwark. The diocese said on Wednesday that it had received no request for permis­sion to officiate there.

Dr Williams was in Kenya last week. A Lambeth spokeswoman was unable to say this week whether the two had discussed this development.

The Revd Charles Raven, the dir­ector of the Society for the Prop­agation of Reformed Evan­gelical Anglican Doctrine, wrote on the organisation’s website on Thursday of last week that the three men had gone to Kenya to be ordained “be­cause the English diocesan bishop con­cerned had refused to give any assur­ances that he would uphold bib­lical teach­ing on homosexual practice”.

The chairman of the AMiE steer­ing committee is the Revd Paul Perkin, Vicar of St Mark’s, Battersea Rise, and the group’s secretary is Canon Chris Sugden.

Dr Sugden said that the group was awaiting a response from Dr Wil­liams to Dr Wabukala’s request that the three clergy be granted per­mission to officiate under the Over­seas Clergy Measure. The chairman of Reform, the Rt Revd Rod Thomas, said that “episcopal oversight” of the three men “has been delegated to the AMiE bishops”…

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robert ian williams
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robert ian williams

Sugden now hopes Lambeth will appoint an evangelical flying bishop.. I suppose Rowan will concede this….

Sylvia
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Sylvia

Impaired communion with their bishop who require alternative oversight? Now what does that remind me of?

observer
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observer

The launch of AMiE took place in St Peter’s Cornhill and St Helen’s Bishopsgate … in the Bishop of London’s own backyard.

It is Richard Chartres who should be speaking up as this is clearly a schismatic movement with the declared intention of providing ‘alternative’ episcopal oversight.

Best of all would be a united clear statement from Lambeth, Bishopthorpe and the Old Deanery condemning AMiE’s intentions.

Perhaps they could write an article for the New Statesman?

A J Barford
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A J Barford

“in the Bishop of London’s own backyard.” – observer

Remember all that hoo-ha over the gay wedding? Now, not a peep?

JCF
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JCF

I wasn’t familiar w/ these aspects of Dr Hensman’s past: very moving.

Sadly, if I may be so bold as to speak for GAFCON, in response to “When is Gafcon going to start listening [to LGBT people]?”: How about never? Does NEVER work for you?

Una Kroll
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Oh well done in this crisp statement of what is actually happening. Tanks on the C of E lawn describes it well. Just remember that the ordinariate is another tank, not a clapped out one that has gone elsewhere. Interesting to see what happens at GS later this month.

Fr John
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Fr John

Whilst many of us are keeping the Feast of Divine Compassion, how sad to see the extreme wings of the Church of England seeking to split the church to fit their own values, instead of the Gospel values of Love and Compassion. Being selfish Im glad I now live within the province of the Scottish Episcopal Church. But my heart grieves for the Church of England, its rich heritage within my own life time. being destryed by self centred bigots.

Judith Maltby
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Judith Maltby

This is precisely where the ‘logic’ of the Act of Synod gets us, of course. All of a piece.

Richard Ashby
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Richard Ashby

If you are right then you don’t need to listen.

Savi Hensman
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Savi Hensman

Thanks, JCF (though I am not a doctor!)

I would have thought some listening might be helpful even if the GAFCON/AMIE enthusiasts see themselves like old-fashioned missionaries, out to convert any Christians who do not think like them. But I suppose that might give their followers the idea that dialogue might be a good thing, which would open up the possibility of changing their views, even slightly.

badman
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badman

“The panel consists of one serving bishop, the Bishop of Lewes, the Rt Revd Wallace Benn, and four retired bishops: Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, the Rt Revd John Ball, the Rt Revd Colin Bazley, and the Rt Revd John Ellison.”

Wallace Benn is going to retire in August 2012, Nazir Ali retired from Rochester early having refused to attend the last Lambeth Conference, John Ball is a former assistant bishop in Tanzania, Colin Bazley is the former Bishop of Chile in the Southern Cone and John Ellison is the former Bishop of Paraguay, also in the Southern Cone.

Perry Butler
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Perry Butler

I agree with Judith! They thought the Act of Synod would be a sticking plaster..but it has opened the way to further fragmentation.

Chris H
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Chris H

@JCF,
Of course the opposite is true too. Would you ever admit you’re wrong? That maybe both sides are wrong to allow divorce and marriage really is for husband/wife? If the liberals are never going to listen and admit they could be wrong, why keep beating your head on the wall? Neither side is going to give. The conservatives will leave or die out or look for oversight elsewhere.

Laurence Roberts
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Laurence Roberts

Now high time to discontinue ordaining bishops. They have been fetishised beyond all use, and to an unhealthy degree. Have deacons by all means, have presbyters; and let episcope be carried out in bold and imaginative ways by some combinations of teams of lay people and other ministers. I am sure the Methodists, URC and others would be able to offer help and support. Btw I was ordained 32 years ago today and rejoice in my journey into G-d! However looking back now,I can see that, much as we loved them both, Mervyn Stockwood and John AT Robinson were hardly… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
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“The Revd Charles Raven, the dir­ector of the Society for the Prop­agation of Reformed Evan­gelical Anglican Doctrine, wrote on the organisation’s website on Thursday of last week that the three men had gone to Kenya to be ordained “be­cause the English diocesan bishop con­cerned had refused to give any assur­ances that he would uphold bib­lical teach­ing on homosexual practice”. – Riazat Butt – SO! it’s going to be a contest between Charles Raven and Chris Sugden – as to who will be appointed the next faux-Archbishop of Yorkaberry in the U.K.? So where do the 3 quasi-Kenyan Episcopal Interlopers fit… Read more »

JPM
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JPM

Didn’t someone write a book once about a man who was destroyed by a monster that he himself created?

Marshall Scott
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I fear, my English siblings, that this continues to feel very familiar. In the early days of the Anglican Mission in America (AMiA), the foreign bishops who ordained as bishops priests of the Episcopal Church seemed on the one hand to expect bishops of the Episcopal Church to recognize the ordinations, and on the other hand to act as if they didn’t consider the Episcopal bishops worth considering. If I recall correctly, a few diocesan bishops would recognize the ordinations; but when the full House of Bishops declined, they went on, acting as if they were a separate denomination. They… Read more »

JCF
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JCF

Chris H,

Of course, I’ll *listen to* anyone. But I won’t *submit* to those who deem me (IN my sexuality, partnered appropriately) less-than-Imago-Dei. But I don’t demand they submit to me (via my bishops/GenCon), either.

That’s the difference.

I will listen, but—not being yet persuaded—refuse to submit.

GAFCON will not listen to me, AND yet insists I submit to them.

There’s really no equivalence here.

*****

Re the update: and so it begins…

karen macqueen+
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Dear friends in England, Welcome to our world! It seems to me that nothing less than the Elizabethan Settlement and the comprehensiveness of the Church of England is at stake here. If +RW allows these three priests, who were ordained in the act of repudiating the jurisdiction of their bishop, to serve in Southwark, or anywhere else, he will buy your Church a world of hurt. In TEC, we have a Primate who has a backbone, the +Most Rev. Dr. Katherine Jefferts Schori. As a woman who flies her own plane and worked as an oceanographer onboard fishing boats, she… Read more »

Charlotte
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Charlotte

Fascinating comment by “Dave” on the Fulcrum Forum discussion of AMIE. Apparently the Conservative Evangelical group in the Church of England, like the Sydney Anglicans, see themselves as directly in the line of the sixteenth-century Puritan movement, rejecting the path the Church of England has taken since the Elizabethan Settlement, let alone the Restoration. Like their forebears, they reject church government by bishops unless the bishops are pleasing to them. I’d say this draws the battle lines pretty clearly. The pattern is a very familiar one indeed! It reminds me of a local Libertarian with whom I’ve had Internet debates… Read more »

Charlotte
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Charlotte

There’s something I should add to my previous post, to make my views clearer. I do think it’s possible to disagree — vehemently — with one’s own bishop. (In fact, I do just that.) I just don’t think he ceases to be the bishop because I disagree with him. He’s still legitimately the bishop however much I may dislike the fact or disagree with his views. The founders of AMiE, OTOH, seem to think that a bishop ceases to be a bishop when they disagree with him. That’s the problem I have with them.

Father Ron Smith
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The real problem the Church of England will have with marauding overseas ‘bishops’ entering their jurisdiction, is that it echoes a similar culture of ‘episcopi vagantes’ – having only marginal relationship with the mainline Church of England – that has already been present in the C.of E. in the guise of ‘Flying Bishops’. These creatures from outer space, having mainly moved off into the stratosphere of Ordinariatism, have been the cause of schism within the C.of E. Will these new insurgents really be any different from the 2 new Flying Bishops appointed to replace them? It really is time for… Read more »

Edward Prebble
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Edward Prebble

“I wasn’t familiar w/ these aspects of Dr Hensman’s past: very moving.” JCF
“Thanks, JCF (though I am not a doctor!)” Savi Hensman
Can somebody (Canterbury would be ideal)please give the lady a doctorate? I think she’s earned it.

Perry Butler
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Perry Butler

We still dont seem to know who these three “Kenyan” clergy are…and where they were trained etc….where they plan to serve and so forth…