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Revision of Clause 5(1)(c)

On Monday the General Synod voted to adjourn the debate on Final Aproval of the Bishops and Priests (Consecration and Ordination of Women) Measure to enable the House of Bishops to reconsider the new clause 5(1)(c) that the House had inserted.

We propose to conduct a discussion here on Thinking Anglicans with the aim of making one or more suggestions to the House on the form that reconsideration might take. In order to make this as constructive, helpful and eirenic as possible, we will conduct this in a more formal way than we normally do.

  • Discussion will begin with a post from one or more guest contributors
  • Commenting will as now be subject to moderation, but we will more strictly enforce the rules on relevance, ad hominem comment (none allowed) and so on. ‘Relevance’ means keeping to this particular topic: constructively discussing possible texts that would satisfy the reference back to the HoB from the Synod, i.e., we are solely concerned with revision, removal, expansion, replacement etc of clause 5(1)(c).
  • We hope that various viewpoints will be offered, and we expect all to be respected. However, the purpose of the discussion is to make the draft Measure more likely to gain Final Approval at the General Synod, and more likely to gain parliamentary approval.

We firmly believe and hope that a site named ‘Thinking Anglicans’ can and should be a place for this sort of debate: one of high quality, and high regard for other participants, as well as for those who are not participating, whether an individual agrees with them or not.

We will introduce this debate shortly.

Simon, Simon and Peter

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Malcolm Macourt
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Malcolm Macourt

I think that your proposed actions are great. Opening up the debate on this website, but keeping a firm eye on relevance,are spot on. You are right to remind us that the purpose is to ensure that the measure will BOTH gain approval of synod and of parliament.

Paul Bayes
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Paul Bayes

Really excellent idea, friends. May I ask that you do as “Episcopal cafe” does and ask every commenter to use their real name? (You may already do this!)

Father Ron Smith
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Esteemed Hosts of T.A.; I presume you will want to keep this discussion ‘In House’ – restricted to members of the Church of England.

We in other Provinces may already have women Bishops but perhaps our comments might be considered to ‘Muddy the Waters’?

Your guidance on this please. (Fr.Ron, ACANZP)

Mark Bennet
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Mark Bennet

Thanks for this initiative – I look forward to engaging with this, and I think the relevance criteria are important – it will be interesting to see how this plays out in public, and whether a wider range of people will contribute to the discussion. I really hope that it generates high quality contributions of real value to the church. Moderating comments on the text/drafting should work OK. It will be interesting to see how comments on the synodical/political context will play out – i.e. will commentary be allowed on whether a proposed text is likely to meet either of… Read more »

Adam Armstrong
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Adam Armstrong

I think it would be useful to hear from mmebers of Anglican Churches that already have women bishops, as long as they remember that this debate isn’t about them. It would not be useful to hear from righ-wing Roman Catholics and other very conservative non-Anglicans with an axe to grind against Anglicanism in general. Ordinariate members are not Anglicans, by the way.

Simon Butler
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Simon Butler

As a member of General Synod, I’m encouraged by this development. I think there will be some really serious engagement between (and not just within) the traditions in the coming two months – the Bishop of Southwark announced a similar non-virtual process at Diocesan Synod on Wednesday. Let’s hope we can finally get it right!

Susan Cooper
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Susan Cooper

Should the discussion only involve GS members?

Simon Butler
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Simon Butler

I don’t think it should Susan, but it would be helpful if those who are not part of the Church of England or who don’t understand the legislative journey to date exercised a degree of self-censorship. We could end up going down lots of blind alleys or having to deal with the inevitable cultural differences that exist.

Mark Bennet
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Mark Bennet

I think the conversation should be open to all those who feel they are in a position to make a constructive contribution – but it might help a great deal if contributors were invited to make that position clear. Further, I do not think that this should be restricted to GS members on principle – the legislation approved by dioceses has been changed. The dioceses have not had a chance to debate the changes, which were declared to be insubstantial. Subsequent events have called that assessment into question – including some votes in dioceses which indicate that the contrary is… Read more »

Helen Rawdon
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Helen Rawdon

This is worth a try.Sounds good to me. Thanks Simon.

Sue Penfold
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Sue Penfold

As a member of General Synod I welcome this.

I wonder whether it would be worth trying to draft something for the Code of Practice along with 5.1.c as I suspect many on all side of the debate are concerned about what might go there?

Pam Smith
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This sounds like a really helpful idea, in terms of putting forward concrete suggestions for a way forward rather than unpicking how we got to where we are. I think it would be very helpful to know the position people are writing from, I don’t know how this might be done in practical terms other than by a short introduction in someone’s first comment in the discussion. Re the ‘real names’ thing – perhaps some people feel too exposed if they post under their real names, and maybe for good reasons. They may still have important points to make. If… Read more »