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CNC speculation

The Crown Nominations Commission started its final meeting to choose the next Archbishop of Canterbury earlier today.

The Church of England has published a Prayer for the Crown Nominations Commission.

There is much in the press today about the meeting, not all of it serious.

Church of England Newspaper The candidates for Canterbury

Lizzy Davies in The Guardian Group choosing new archbishop of Canterbury meets at secret location

The Guardian’s interactive guide: pick your own Archbishop

Ben Quinn in the Christian Science Monitor As Anglican Church picks new leader, gay marriage weighs heavily

Adrian Hilton in the Mail Online The 105th Archbishop of Canterbury is about to be revealed

Channel 4 News Who will be the new archbishop of Canterbury?

The BBC has several stories.
New Archbishop of Canterbury to be chosen
Mick Robson and Megan Lane Archbishop of Canterbury: Runners and riders
Alex Strangwayes-Booth Dr Rowan Williams: Poll finds 53% consider him ‘good leader’
Bishop ‘prays not to be Archbishop of Canterbury’

Reuters Anglican church chooses new leader to weather storms

Nelson Jones in the New Statesman The secret search for the next Archbishop of Canterbury

The Daily Mash Bishops fighting to the death

Finally the Plumstead Letters blog has Elect to Leave [very rude but very funny].

It’s not clear from the reports whether the meeting will finish on Thursday or Friday, but in any case do not expect an immediate announcement. After the meeting the chair (Lord Luce) has to write to the Prime Minister with two nominations for archbishop (the first choice and a reserve). The Prime Minister will send the first name to the Queen. This person also has to be asked if he will accept nomination and given time to reply. Before any public announcement the person chosen has to have a criminal record check and a medical. Finally a convenient day for the announcement had to be found. Typically for diocesan bishops this takes two months, although in one case last year it was only a month.

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Savi Hensman
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Savi Hensman

When might the next ABC be enthroned?

Father Ron Smith
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The final “Plumstead Letter” is devastatingly naughty. I’ve never heard so many repetititons of the ‘Doing Word’ in so short a time. However, I’m not so sure that the Honourable Lord Chairperson would ever resort to such rhetoric. Funny, though!

Randal Oulton
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Randal Oulton

>> This person also has to be asked if he will accept nomination and given time to reply

Why a he? Is there fear amongst the men in silly skirts that the Queen might object to a woman being in charge?

Simon Sarmiento
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Randal
The Church of England has not yet passed legislation for women to become bishops. So all the candidates for this office are male.

rjb
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rjb

“If, however, the Commission is concerned to appoint God’s choice – a thoughtful and gifted communicator, deeply committed to upholding the orthodoxy of the Christian faith – ‘the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints’ – in the fraught context of cultural diversity, social upheaval, political cynicism and theological conflict, the lot must fall to Justin Welby, Bishop of Durham.” Fascinating to see Adrian Hilton in the Daily Mail claiming to speak on behalf of Almighty God. I had always assumed that that organ’s remit derived from the other place. Clearly I’ll have to revise my assessment… Read more »

Father David
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Father David

I’m sure that Justin Welby is a talented and gifted man but surely only a few months at Durham is hardly sufficient an apprecticeship for so high and noble a preferment as Cantuar? Give the man more time in his present ministry before being translated to either York or Canterbury.
After all the last person to go from Dunelm to Cantuar went via Ebor – and he was surely the greatest 20th century Archbishop of Canterbury – Michael Ramsey.
No leave the poor fellow where he is to gain further episcopal experience and in the meantime translate London to Canterbury.

rjb
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rjb

I’m actually inclined to agree with Fr David in this instance. The Bishop of London is at least a ‘safe pair of hands’, and if he won’t inspire anyone to feverish love and loyalty like Rowan Williams did, he is unlikely to rock too many boats. He’s probably the Mitt Romney of this race, is what I’m saying.

Confused Sussex
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Confused Sussex

I do not think it can be the Bishop of London he is to much of an establishment figure identified as he appears to be with those who have wealth and/or privilege and also someone close to those who appear to believe in the divine right of kings to not only advise but to be obeyed.

Better to go with someone (like Ramsey or Runcie) who could shepherd the church in troubled times whilst providing intellegent leadership rather than good management.

abbey mouse
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abbey mouse

What has being a diocesan bishop got to do with being qualified for Cantuar?

Peace-maker. Reconciler. Respected in all quarters of the Communion. Godly. NOT a seeker after kudos or approval (that’s Londin & Ebor out). Trans-churchman ship yet seriously rooted in God. Handles conflict.

Dunelm.

Rod Gillis
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Rod Gillis

Re the prayer for the crown nominations committee, I was reminded of an old “Beyond the fringe sketch”,
” ‘Padre’, she said, ‘ what is your little game?’ “

Father David
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Father David

Dear Confused, I can think of no one on the present Bench more in the mould of Ramsey and Runcie that + Richard of London. After all – I’m sure he learnt much from his master about how to be an Archbishop of Canterbury when he served as Robert Runcie’s Chaplain at both St. Albans and Lambeth.

Daniel Berry, NYC
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Daniel Berry, NYC

ohgod you’re all so earnest. Plumstead’s one of the funnniest things I’ve seen in a long time.

And he dares to give voice (albeit Hitler’s) to what so many are thinking.

Martin Reynolds
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Martin Reynolds

As I recall, George Carey had only been a bishop something like two years when he was picked for Canterbury.

david rowett
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My memory of +George in Bath and Wells was that he could have done to have been there longer so as to get used to bishoping, to understand the consequences of some of his more ill-thought-out policies and even begin to put them right.

One would have to be exceptionally gifted (and holy)to learn the vocation of bishop in a short time to a sufficient depth to be suited to Cantuar. I wonder whether it’s fair to ‘promote’ someone in that way – isn’t it setting them up to disappoint?

John
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John

Can’t see what the point would be in having a ‘caretaker’, nor why Chartres should fill that role, if there were a point. Whilst in general I am in greatly in favour of allowing the expression of ‘two integrities’, it would be highly anomalous if the head of the C of E didn’t ordain women and extremely sordid if Chartres, not having done so hitherto, was intimating that yes! maybe! he would do the dirty deed IF he got the top job. I am constantly amazed by the low moral standards set by our bishops (who then presume of course… Read more »

Daithi
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Daithi

Hmm, returning to the question of whether or not a woman can be chosen, this from the CofE website:

“Since the Archbishop of Canterbury is automatically a member of the House of Lords he must, under the law of the land be a British, Irish or Commonwealth citizen…. There is, however, no rule which limits the CNC to choosing someone who is currently holding an office in the Church of England. Indeed Archbishop Rowan was serving in another province of the Communion when nominated as Archbishop of Canterbury.”

Are there any female bishops who are Commonwealth citizens who could be chosen?

http://www.churchofengland.org/media-centre/news/2012/03/outline-of-procedures-for-appointment-of-an-archbishop-of-canterbury.aspx

Simon Kershaw
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‘Are there any female bishops who are Commonwealth citizens who could be chosen?’ No, there aren’t. Because a women may not lawfully be elected and confirmed a bishop in the Church of England. Unless and until the law is changed, which will not happen in time for this appointment, unless it drags on for a considerable time. Even if the current draft legislation were to be approved by the requisite majorities in November, it would still have to be approved by the two Houses of Parliament, and receive the Royal Assent, and then amending Canons would have to be approved… Read more »

Confused sussex
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Confused sussex

Dear father David Re London – you may be right but given his role in the recent St Pauls affair I seen nothing to convince me he has sympathy for the poor or be prepared to challenge the status quo, which given the current state of the country is a necessary role Martin Although I am not averse to someone being appointed with little or no experience of being a Bishop if he (or in time she) is the outstanding candidate; but I do not think you can use the example of George Carey to justify this since there was… Read more »

Father David
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Father David

Prime Minister Gordon Brown once said – “This is no time for a novice” – I think these words are equally true in the current ecclesiastical world as they are in the political world. I’m sure that, in time, Justin Welby will prove to be a fine Ebor or Cantuar. However, we must recall that it was only a year ago on this very day (St. Michael & All Angels – 29th September 2011) that his election as Bishop of Durham was confirmed in York Minster. He was consecrated on 28th October 2011 and Enthroned as Bishop of Durham as… Read more »

Simon Kershaw
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‘Thomas Becket was ordained priest on 2nd June 1162 and consecrated to be Archbishop of Canterbury on 3rd June 1162 – but look what happened to him!’

And not just Becket: Alphege, Stephen Sudbury, Thomas Cranmer and William Laud all came to an untimely end.

That’s almost 5% chance of being killed as ABC. Perhaps the Health & Safety Executive should investigate.

Father David
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Father David

“Becket, Alphege, Stephen Sudbury and William Laud all came to an untimely end.”

Indeed so – but in the late 20th and early 21st centuries – more subtle ways have been found to martyr an Archbishop. So, is it any wonder that Rowan is off to take refuge in Cambridge and the Bishop of Norwich is praying that it won’t be him taking over?