on Wednesday, 24 April 2019 at 11.40 pm by Peter Owen
categorised as Church of England
The Bishop of Chester, the Rt Revd Dr Peter Forster, has announced that he will be retiring from his role on Monday 30 September 2019, after more than 22 years in the post.
Have the loud accusations by the Church – and others – against Bishop Forster been quietly dropped?
Richard W. Symonds
4 years ago
The Church might have gone (understandably) quiet on the ‘failure to report abuse’ issue – which implicates Archbishops and Bishops [and beyond], but the Chester Standard has not:
‘Move along, nothing to see here’. Where have I heard that before?!
T Pott
4 years ago
The Bishop’s ad clerum confuses matters. Referring to the process of replacing his suffragan Bishop of Stockport, following Libby Lane’s departure to Derby, he says he found himself reluctant to select a suffragan with whom his successor would have to work. His early retirement then appears to be so that Stockport can be left vacant until the new Bishop of Chester is in place. He then mentions an additional complication. The Dioceses Commission has given notice that at the next vacancy, when the other suffragan, the Bishop of Birkenhead, retires, there will be a review of “overall episcopal provision” in… Read more »
I’m not sure why Manchester should be displeased if the suffragan bishopric of Stockport is abolished? Manchester has its own bishops. East Cheshire, on the other hand, would certainly mind – particularly as it’s a long way from Chester. Much of East Cheshire is also rural, though there are towns like Macclesfield (where I used to be a vicar.)
By ‘Manchester’ I assume he means ‘those parts of Greater Manchester formerly in Cheshire’ and therefore in Chester diocese. Hyde (where I used be a vicar) is a case in point. It came under the local oversight of the bishop of Stockport and had nothing whatever to do with bishops from the diocese of Manchester.
But there is a large part of East Cheshire in Chester Diocese which is not Manchester., never was and doesn’t want to be. The eastern part of the diocese cannot simply be reduced to ‘Manchester’.
I didn’t mean to suggest Macclesfield or Cheshire East generally was Manchester. I was thinking of it more as part of the rural bit centred on Chester. I apologise if I have offended any inhabitants of that area.
I should have said Greater Manchester, rather than Manchester. Stockport is, of course, in Greater Manchester, and several other Greater Manchester boroughs are, in whole or in part, within Chester Diocese.
Much of East Cheshire (or Cheshire East) seem to have more affinity with Chester than with Stockport or Manchester, though one could say the same about South and West Wirral preferring Chester to Birkenhead and Liverpool.
I suspect your point about Chester being a longer way from the East than the West, plus the seniority of the Stockport see, means it will be bye bye Birkenhead.
Thank you for the clarification. Yes, Stockport is indubitably in Greater Manchester, though the Bishop of Stockport actually lives near Dunham Massey (odd how suffragan bishops often don’t live in the district their post is named after). That’s still quite a distance from Sutton or Rainow, for instance, though of course not every parish in any diocese can be near the centre of action. Some would say it’s actually an advantage to be more remote, but it’s a nuisance when it comes to attending training, committee meetings, or Maundy Thursday chrism services.
Maybe Liverpool diocese will absorb the Wirral in retaliation for them adopting Chester postcodes.
(By the way, it’s the western part of Merseyside, not the southern.)
Father David
4 years ago
Can anyone kindly explain why we need more Archdeacons and how does their creation extend the Kingdom?
For me, and some will think this a rather secular perspective, I think the decisions to make are something like: (1) What’s the work that needs doing? What’s essential and what’s desirable? (2) What are the skills and qualities that the person who does that work needs? (3) Must that person be ordained? If so must they be a priest or would deacon’s orders suffice? (4) What can we afford? There might be an argument for favouring clergy, for example, because their stipends are relatively low and so the drain on the liquid cash of a diocese will be less… Read more »
To be frivolous for a moment (or perhaps not!) someone once said that Archdeacons are God’s way of showing us that not everything has to have a purpose. Though in some dioceses they seem to be doing the work of what is traditionally and pastorally the work of bishops.
Have the loud accusations by the Church – and others – against Bishop Forster been quietly dropped?
The Church might have gone (understandably) quiet on the ‘failure to report abuse’ issue – which implicates Archbishops and Bishops [and beyond], but the Chester Standard has not:
https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/17596971.bishop-of-chester-retires-before-outcome-of-latchford-abuse-cover-up-inquiry/
Is the Bishop of Chester Peter Forster just another ‘scapegoat’ used by the Church hierarchy to evade responsibility and blame at the highest level?
He is 69 and only a few months from retirement age anyway. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
‘Move along, nothing to see here’. Where have I heard that before?!
The Bishop’s ad clerum confuses matters. Referring to the process of replacing his suffragan Bishop of Stockport, following Libby Lane’s departure to Derby, he says he found himself reluctant to select a suffragan with whom his successor would have to work. His early retirement then appears to be so that Stockport can be left vacant until the new Bishop of Chester is in place. He then mentions an additional complication. The Dioceses Commission has given notice that at the next vacancy, when the other suffragan, the Bishop of Birkenhead, retires, there will be a review of “overall episcopal provision” in… Read more »
I’m not sure why Manchester should be displeased if the suffragan bishopric of Stockport is abolished? Manchester has its own bishops. East Cheshire, on the other hand, would certainly mind – particularly as it’s a long way from Chester. Much of East Cheshire is also rural, though there are towns like Macclesfield (where I used to be a vicar.)
By ‘Manchester’ I assume he means ‘those parts of Greater Manchester formerly in Cheshire’ and therefore in Chester diocese. Hyde (where I used be a vicar) is a case in point. It came under the local oversight of the bishop of Stockport and had nothing whatever to do with bishops from the diocese of Manchester.
But there is a large part of East Cheshire in Chester Diocese which is not Manchester., never was and doesn’t want to be. The eastern part of the diocese cannot simply be reduced to ‘Manchester’.
I didn’t mean to suggest Macclesfield or Cheshire East generally was Manchester. I was thinking of it more as part of the rural bit centred on Chester. I apologise if I have offended any inhabitants of that area.
I should have said Greater Manchester, rather than Manchester. Stockport is, of course, in Greater Manchester, and several other Greater Manchester boroughs are, in whole or in part, within Chester Diocese.
Much of East Cheshire (or Cheshire East) seem to have more affinity with Chester than with Stockport or Manchester, though one could say the same about South and West Wirral preferring Chester to Birkenhead and Liverpool.
I suspect your point about Chester being a longer way from the East than the West, plus the seniority of the Stockport see, means it will be bye bye Birkenhead.
Thank you for the clarification. Yes, Stockport is indubitably in Greater Manchester, though the Bishop of Stockport actually lives near Dunham Massey (odd how suffragan bishops often don’t live in the district their post is named after). That’s still quite a distance from Sutton or Rainow, for instance, though of course not every parish in any diocese can be near the centre of action. Some would say it’s actually an advantage to be more remote, but it’s a nuisance when it comes to attending training, committee meetings, or Maundy Thursday chrism services.
Maybe Liverpool diocese will absorb the Wirral in retaliation for them adopting Chester postcodes.
(By the way, it’s the western part of Merseyside, not the southern.)
Can anyone kindly explain why we need more Archdeacons and how does their creation extend the Kingdom?
We need more archdeacons so we can support parish clergy better.
(With the same argument used for increasing the number of bishops)
Is this credible? I can see it could be argued.
For me, and some will think this a rather secular perspective, I think the decisions to make are something like: (1) What’s the work that needs doing? What’s essential and what’s desirable? (2) What are the skills and qualities that the person who does that work needs? (3) Must that person be ordained? If so must they be a priest or would deacon’s orders suffice? (4) What can we afford? There might be an argument for favouring clergy, for example, because their stipends are relatively low and so the drain on the liquid cash of a diocese will be less… Read more »
To be frivolous for a moment (or perhaps not!) someone once said that Archdeacons are God’s way of showing us that not everything has to have a purpose. Though in some dioceses they seem to be doing the work of what is traditionally and pastorally the work of bishops.