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LLF Next Steps Group Meeting on 29th September 2021

Press release from the Church of England

LLF Next Steps Group Meeting on 29th September 2021
14/10/2021

The Next Steps Group began the meeting by considering how to ensure widest possible engagement with the LLF resources across the range of demographics, especially including young people.

The group reviewed a set of resources for leading groups with young people which have now been published on the LLF Learning Hub.

The importance of encouraging all participants to share their experience and learning through the LLF online questionnaire and by means of creative responses was stressed. LLF Advocates were encouraged to continue to share good practice across dioceses.

The group noted the need to get three key messages across:
the LLF resources are for and about everyone; it is a genuinely open-ended opportunity for the whole church to contribute to the Church’s discernment about questions relating to identity, sexuality, relationships and marriage; the resources are flexible and should be adapted to different contexts at a time and in a way that is appropriate for them. The gathering of feedback will close on 30th April 2022.

It was agreed to reschedule publication of the resource, ‘The Gift of the Church’ to September 2022, when it will sit alongside the findings of the listening process as the process of discernment begins. The Next Steps Group will work together with the Faith and Order Commission on this task, and involve others as discussed at previous meetings.

The Group agreed that it would be important to introduce new members of General Synod to the LLF journey as part of their induction in November 2021.

The meeting ended in prayer.

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Helen King
Helen King
2 days ago

Does anyone know what this new ‘resource’ is?
Also, if someone tells me something ‘genuinely is’, that tends to make me suspect it isn’t.

Shamus
Shamus
2 days ago

Do we know how long the “process of discernment” lasts? Another report after that deeply to ponder for another year or two, I’m guessing. Hoping to live long enough for some meaningful decisions and change, but feeling chances are not good.

Father David
Father David
Reply to  Shamus
1 day ago

I believe that the “process of discernment” is as long as the “period of reception”.

Simon Dawson
Simon Dawson
Reply to  Shamus
1 day ago

According to the LLF’s own website the process started in 2017, and if the Next Steps discernment process starts in late 2022 it probably won’t be finished until late 2023, or even 2024 with a report to Synod.

So that’s at least seven years for the process. The same time as it took NASA to to put a man on the moon. I think the difference is not the complexity of the process but the sense of urgency with which it is approached.

Kate
Kate
Reply to  Simon Dawson
19 hours ago

Actualyl the report is likely to go to the House of Bishops and they will draft something for Synod so add another year.

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Simon Dawson
Simon Dawson
Reply to  Simon Dawson
9 hours ago

Or, for another comparison, Pope Francis’ recently launched synodical consultation programme is scheduled to be completed within two years, despite including every diocese worldwide

Fr Andrew Welsby
Fr Andrew Welsby
1 day ago

Blah, blah, blah…..

Susannah Clark
Reply to  Fr Andrew Welsby
1 day ago

I agree: blah, blah, blah…..

Just substitute human sexuality for climate change, and it’s such a striking parallel

notconvinced
notconvinced
1 day ago

The long grass beckons …

Kate
Kate
1 day ago

The Next Steps Group recognised the urgency of updating teaching to prohibit actions which might be considered conversion therapy
 
No, not even that.

Evan McWilliams
Evan McWilliams
1 day ago

I have yet to meet anyone who thinks LLF is anything but a waste of time and money. Those who favour LGBT+ inclusion have already made up their minds, those who oppose it likewise. The remainder simply don’t care enough to voice an opinion.

Stanley Monkhouse
1 day ago

LLF and involving young people. Those young people likely to know and care about LLF are those already involved in church life. In my experience, they tend to be more censorious and conservative than older people and than their contemporaries who are blissfully ignorant of church. They are unlikely to be representative of the wide spread of opinion of young people as a whole. In order to address this, I propose the establishment of a working group that would go into the highways and byways where non-church young people are likely to be found in order to obtain a truly… Read more »

Fr Dean
Fr Dean
Reply to  Stanley Monkhouse
23 hours ago

Stan, I’m sure you’ll agree that it would be wise to put LLF on pause whilst your proposal goes through a rigorous consultation exercise with partners and stakeholders. This would be an important work-stream going forward and I think it needs a transition enabler with great skill to oversee this. It would be sensible for the Archbishops’ Council to appoint a firm of headhunters to find someone of the necessary calibre to coordinate the consultation exercise. The post warrants a commensurate remuneration package of at least £100k. Thank you as ever for your blue sky thinking – feedback is always… Read more »

mikethecanon
mikethecanon
1 day ago

Advertisement: Church of England seeks group of young LGBT+ people to share their experiences and get emotionally chewed up like the adults before them. Safeguarding anybody? Will this be a ‘safe’ place for them to be? All for the sake of helping us out of being a ‘one issue religion’.

Strannik
Strannik
1 day ago

I didn’t know what LLF was, so checked it in the urban dictionary
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=llf

Helen King
Helen King
Reply to  Strannik
1 day ago

Thanks, Strannik! My husband always refers to it as Living in Lies and Falsehood.

David Runcorn
David Runcorn
Reply to  Helen King
10 hours ago

And may I ask how you as a member of the LLF project respond when he says that ? Who is lying? Has he actually read the stories and watched the videos of those who have been willing to
share there?

Helen King
Helen King
Reply to  David Runcorn
7 hours ago

He is referring to the current situation of candidates for selection and those who have been ordained (including bishops) being encouraged not to be honest about their sexuality. He often says “How can anyone think being gay is a choice? Why would anyone choose to be treated like this in the church and the world?” Neither of us feels that LLF helps here. While it may be reassuring for people to see a video of someone else who’s in their situation, coming out to an LLF course group and being ‘the gay one’ in that group is another matter. (He… Read more »

David Runcorn
David Runcorn
Reply to  Helen King
2 hours ago

Thank you for clarifying. I agree re ordination candidates but think that that is where the words ‘lies’ and ‘falsehood’ belong, not LLF which I think is a very honourable attempt to take the broader debate forward and deserves more gratitude than it tends to get.

Ann Reddecliffe
Ann Reddecliffe
23 hours ago

The new youth LLF course materials can be accessed and downloaded at Course: Leading an LLF learning group (churchofengland.org)

Rowland Wateridge
Rowland Wateridge
Reply to  Ann Reddecliffe
19 hours ago

This is behind a paywall. You must register and “cookies must be enabled in your browser”. There may be good reasons, but they aren’t readily apparent to me. What is happening to the C of E?

José Ribeiro
José Ribeiro
21 hours ago

It’s like the Palestine Peace Process: a lot of Process, nihil Peace.

Susannah Clark
8 hours ago

What I see here is all talk and no action. And I’m not referring to the bishops. If you believe with strong conscience that gay and lesbian relationships are as precious and legitimate as straight ones, and yet you comply with an oppressive status quo, then the problem is your own failure to take responsibility for your own conscience, and everything you owe your community. At least my priest was willing to let us have a wedding service, openly and publicly, because he said he could do no other. He defied the oppression. (We had to get a piece of… Read more »

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