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Suffragan Bishop in the Diocese in Europe

The appointment of a suffragan bishop for the diocese in Europe has been announced from 10 Downing Street. This appointment is made by the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Bishop of London and the Bishop in Europe acting jointly after consultation with the Standing Committee of the Diocesan Synod. There is further information on the Diocese in Europe website here and here.

Appointment of Bishop in the Diocese of Europe: 29 November 2024

The King has approved the consecration of Reverend Canon Andrew Norman as Suffragan Bishop in the Diocese in Europe.

From: Prime Minister’s Office, 10 Downing Street
Published 29 November 2024

The King has approved the consecration of Reverend Canon Andrew Norman, Director of Ministry and Mission for the Diocese of Leeds, as Suffragan Bishop in the Diocese in Europe, in succession to the Right Reverend David Hamid, following his retirement.

Background

Andrew was educated at University College, Oxford, Selwyn College, Cambridge and the University of Birmingham and trained for ministry at Ridley Hall, Cambridge and Virginia Theological Seminary. He was ordained priest in 1996 and served his title at St Michael’s Church, Paris in the Diocese in Europe.

After serving in the benefice of Clifton in Bristol, Andrew was appointed in 2002 as Archbishop of Canterbury’s Assistant Secretary for Ecumenical and Anglican Communion Affairs.

In 2005, he was promoted to Archbishop’s Principal Secretary for International, Ecumenical and Anglican Communion Affairs.

From 2008 to 2016 Andrew served as Principal of Ridley Hall Cambridge, during which time he additionally held honorary canonries in Canterbury and Ely Cathedrals.

In 2017 he was appointed to his current role as Director of Ministry and Mission in the newly-formed Diocese of Leeds and was made honorary canon of Wakefield Cathedral.

A dairy farmer’s son, Andrew worked for the world’s largest commercial printer of banknotes, De La Rue, prior to ordination.

For further information, see the Europe Anglican website.

 

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Anthony Archer
Anthony Archer
12 days ago

Very good appointment.

Realist
Realist
Reply to  Anthony Archer
12 days ago

Yes, I agree, Anthony. I knew him when he was Principal of Ridley, and always wondered why he wasn’t made Bishop before now. It’s refreshing to see some appointments beyond Boddington clones finding their way into the Episcopacy.

David Hawkins
David Hawkins
Reply to  Anthony Archer
12 days ago

If you see the Church of England as HTB plc no doubt but if you see the the Church of England as the Body of Christ then predictable and very disappointing.

There is an alternative to Welby’s failed narrow evangelical corporate vision and here it is. The Church of England has much to learn from the Church in Wales and the Diocese of Monmouth in particular.

https://youtu.be/CYfRKF9lYn4?si=pO9EyefgokkYPPxo

Sam Jones
Sam Jones
Reply to  David Hawkins
12 days ago

Is this the Church of Wales where attendance numbers are so low they have stopped publishing the data? What should we learn from a denomination which has about 10-15 years left?

Susannah
Susannah
Reply to  Sam Jones
12 days ago

Grace?

Richard Barrett
Richard Barrett
Reply to  Susannah
11 days ago

Amen.

Tim Chesterton
Reply to  David Hawkins
12 days ago

‘Welby’s failed narrow evangelical corporate vision’

This would be the Justin Welby who has a Roman Catholic spiritual director, yes?

David Runcorn
David Runcorn
Reply to  Tim Chesterton
11 days ago

This would also be the Justin Welby whose earliest initiative was to set up a Benedictine community of prayer and service at the heart of Lambeth.? Every label is a libel.

Wandering minstrel
Wandering minstrel
Reply to  David Runcorn
11 days ago

… but one initially advertised as intending to be for ‘young professionals’ …

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Fr Andrew
Fr Andrew
Reply to  David Runcorn
11 days ago

Unless there is another religious order inhabiting Lambeth Palace alongside the Community of St Anselm you possibly need to lose ‘Benedictine’ from your sentence to make it accurate (unless the CSA is running on its own rule and St Benedict’s as well).

David Runcorn
David Runcorn
Reply to  Fr Andrew
11 days ago

Anselm was a Benedictine monk and Archbishop of Canterbury. So I think the intended links are clear. Justin Welby’s personal faith is strongly formed by Benedictine spirituality.

Janet Fife
Janet Fife
Reply to  Fr Andrew
11 days ago

Oh dear. CSA is best know as as the abbreviation for Child Sexual Abuse – as in IICSA. That’s an unfortunate association when the church’s safeguarding failures are so much in the news and public consciousness. Perhaps the Lambeth community would be better shortened to CoSA or ComSA?

Anglican Priest
Anglican Priest
Reply to  David Runcorn
11 days ago

I believe it is Chemin Neuf, an ecumenical Catholic order based in France.

Chris Bessant
Chris Bessant
Reply to  David Hawkins
9 days ago

You know, I’m all for a bit of robust debate, but can we try to at least have some idea what we are talking about?

peter kettle
peter kettle
Reply to  Anthony Archer
12 days ago

Why?!

Anthony Archer
Anthony Archer
Reply to  peter kettle
11 days ago

His ministerial career has real breadth, unusual in most nominations. His background in Anglican Communion affairs will be very valuable to the College of Bishops, given the state of relationships currently; he has demonstrable experience of training priests and equipping laity; and with his policy experience he will bring much to developing and leading the strategy for this distinctive diocese.

Peter Kettle
Peter Kettle
Reply to  Anthony Archer
11 days ago

Thank you.

DAVID HAWKINS
DAVID HAWKINS
Reply to  Anthony Archer
11 days ago

“equipping laity”
Says it all in my opinion.
I don’t need “equipping” I need kindness, empathy and pastoral care not HTB plc.

Tim Chesterton
Reply to  DAVID HAWKINS
11 days ago

Well, according to Ephesians 4.11-12, equipping God’s people for works of ministry is part of the work of the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers given to the church by Christ. Sorry you don’t feel you need it.

dr.primrose
dr.primrose
Reply to  DAVID HAWKINS
11 days ago

I find your comment a bit puzzling. I’m not quite sure what “HTB plc” is. “HTB” is presumably Holy Trinity Brompton. I’m much less certain what you mean by a “plc.” Do you mean “programmable logic controller”? That is, according to one internet site, “A small, industrial computer that monitors and controls industrial equipment using custom programs. PLCs can automate complex tasks, improve efficiency, and reduce costs. They can be used to control a machine function, process, or entire production line.” If so, I take it you’re objecting to something like a conservative-evangelical mind control of the laity. At any rate, I… Read more »

Anthony Archer
Anthony Archer
Reply to  dr.primrose
10 days ago

Thank you Tim Chesterton and dr.primrose for unpacking what I clearly meant inter alia in commending Andrew Norman.

Susannah
Susannah
Reply to  dr.primrose
10 days ago

I think the ‘plc’ bit maybe got lost in translation across the Atlantic. A plc is a public limited company which usually has shares available to the public and is listed on the London Stock Exchange. So I guess the reference in the post is to portray HTB as a kind of business enterprise or suggest it operates like a corporate empire.

Nice exploration of vocation though. Thank you for that.

Realist
Realist
Reply to  DAVID HAWKINS
10 days ago

When I knew Andrew, though definitely Evangelical, he was most certainly not an HTB clone.

John Moore
John Moore
Reply to  Anthony Archer
10 days ago

As one who knew the diocese well the choice is good. You will be well pleased with Andrew Norman so do pray with real expectation

Surrealist
Surrealist
Reply to  Anthony Archer
9 days ago

He’s a great bloke from my encounters with him. Slight lament is another bishop who hasn’t ever been an incumbent, but hey ho, maybe developing a ministry of real breadth sometimes doesn’t leave space for being a vicar.

Anglican Priest
Anglican Priest
Reply to  Anthony Archer
12 days ago

I wish him well. Having served briefly as chaplain in Fontainebleau and knowing many chaplaincies in France alone, this ‘diocese’ is sprawling (as you know). The biggest in the CofE. Russia to Tenerife.

Mark
12 days ago

So the diocesan bishop – a male Evangelical – chooses as his colleague another male Evangelical (in a diocese where most of the chaplaincies have historically been more on the catholic wing of the C of E). All of the archdeacons in the diocese are also men. What does it take to get people who are committed to real rather than fake diversity running the C of E?

Last edited 12 days ago by Mark
Tim Chesterton
Reply to  Mark
11 days ago

The continuing anti-evangelical prejudice on TA is breathtaking.

Mark
Reply to  Tim Chesterton
10 days ago

Well, I don’t know how well you know the diocese. One very important part of the bishops’ work is ecumenical contact: our full communion partners are the Old Catholics and the Lutheran Churches of the Nordic countries and Germany; then the rest of the diocese is nearly all in countries which have a Roman Catholic or Orthodox majority presence, and where the C of E chaplaincies often operate on the basis of those hierarchies’ good will. Something that became very clear over recent decades of Anglican rows regarding youknowwhatyouality is that our (Conservative) Evangelical wing has a very poor sense… Read more »

Last edited 10 days ago by Mark
Clare Amos,
Clare Amos,
Reply to  Mark
10 days ago

Given Andrew’s previous role working in ecumenism for Archbishop Rowan I think he will tick the ecumenical box, which is important in the Diocese in Europe, very well. I am not from the evangelical wing of the C of E myself but when working at the Anglican Communion Office I always found Andrew a good, thoughtful intelligent, conscientious colleague who never tried overly to stand on his dignity or throw his weight around (unlike some of the Archbishop’s staff!). Yes, I regret there is no woman on the senior staff of the Diocese and I hope that will be rectified… Read more »

Mark
Reply to  Clare Amos,
10 days ago

Yes, the new appointee has ecumenical experience, clearly. But if you look at the archdeacons, it’s not just that they are all male – one went through Cuddesdon, but apart from that, would they not all call themselves Evangelicals? (If they are reading this, doubtless they will answer for themselves) Those of us who have known the diocese over a long time – and it is one that has always been regarded as among the more Catholic of the C of E’s dioceses, because of the nature of most of its chaplaincies – may well be concerned to see how… Read more »

Anglican Priest
Anglican Priest
Reply to  Clare Amos,
9 days ago

Thanks for clarifying his ecumenical talents and range.

Vincent Van Der Weerden
Vincent Van Der Weerden
Reply to  Mark
8 days ago

This is interesting. I have a couple of questions. Given that both the Protestant regional churches and Catholic Churches on the continent tend to be very liberal on issues of human sexualities, how has the evangelical bishop of Europe managed to interact with them? Also do you think the reason evangelicals in the COE (including bishop Innes) have had little contact with their continental counterparts, is because they don’t see eye to eye on sexuality issues

Charles Read
Charles Read
Reply to  Vincent Van Der Weerden
8 days ago

My impression is that +Robert has lots of interaction with his ecumenical partners.

Mark
Reply to  Vincent Van Der Weerden
8 days ago

I think it is undoubtedly the case that Conservative Evangelicals in the C of E are uncomfortable with the fact that the churches they are in communion with in Europe – the Old Catholics and the Nordic and German Lutherans – are all much more liberal on issues of (gender and) sexuality. The current Bishop of Gibraltar in Europe comes from that stable. Talking with Danish and Swedish Lutheran clergy about this, some of them said to me: “Look, we are the real Protestants here! Real Protestants only think there are two sacraments, and marriage isn’t one of them, so… Read more »

Last edited 8 days ago by Mark
Vincent Van Der Weerden
Vincent Van Der Weerden
Reply to  Mark
7 days ago

Don’t forget the majority of the reformed churches on the continent are also more liberal than English evangelicals. That does not even take into account the other Protestant churches of Scotland and Wales. It seems Anglican evangelicals are very theologically isolated when it comes to European Protestantism. What do you think of Graham Tomlinson? Also isolated from other European Protestants?

Anglican Priest
Anglican Priest
Reply to  Vincent Van Der Weerden
7 days ago

“Catholic Churches on the continent tend to be very liberal on issues of human sexualities” — Having lived in France for 5 years and worshipped at the Catholic Church, I do not understand this sweeping claim. It was not our experience.

Vincent Van Der Weerden
Vincent Van Der Weerden
Reply to  Anglican Priest
7 days ago

What decade were you living in France? Also I had in mind more the Catholic Churches in German speaking parts of Europe with my sweeping claim. Austria, Switzerland and Germany come to mind.

Too old to genuflect
Too old to genuflect
Reply to  Tim Chesterton
9 days ago

Well, they have hardly come out smelling of roses with the Bash Camp Smyth affair!!

Ian Hobbs
Ian Hobbs
Reply to  Too old to genuflect
8 days ago

“they”

What? Every evangelical? Presumably you really believe you have posted nonsense… or you are committing the error you accuse others of… straightforward prejudice.

A real conversation becomes impossible.

Mark
Reply to  Ian Hobbs
7 days ago

The concern I have expressed here on this thread is not why any Evangelicals should be involved in running the diocese, but why almost *all* those on the senior team in the diocese should be Evangelicals: and also why they should all be men.

Last edited 7 days ago by Mark
Too old to genuflect
Too old to genuflect
Reply to  Ian Hobbs
7 days ago

I find it hard to understand your vituperative response.

Ian Hobbs
Ian Hobbs
Reply to  Mark
10 days ago

It’s not as if the Bishop of London was involved… did you miss it or dismiss her?

Too old to genuflect
Too old to genuflect
12 days ago

The theme continues.

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