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who are the Windsor bishops?

See earlier report of statistics used by Bishop Duncan, referred to by the Bishop of Winchester (“something over a quarter of its bishops and dioceses”) and mentioned by the Archbishop of Canterbury (“perhaps amounting to nearly one quarter of the Bishops”).

Who are these bishops? And do they each speak with the authority of their diocesan conventions, or only as individuals? Does having a “Windsor bishop” automatically create a “Windsor diocese”? And if so what is the extent in each diocese of dissent from that position?

Let’s start with the simplest question, the numbers of bishops.

As best I can tell, and I welcome corrections and comments on this:

All ten Network bishops are to be included in this list. OK, right now South Carolina doesn’t have a diocesan bishop in office, but it’s safe to assert that the bishop-elect should be included.

Outside the NACDAP, the following fourteen bishops appear to be candidates:

The Rt. Rev. Jim Adams, Bishop of Western Kansas
The Rt. Rev. Duncan Gray Diocese of Mississippi
The Rt. Rev. Samuel Johnson Howard, Bishop of Florida
The Rt. Rev. Russ Jacobus Diocese of Fond du Lac
The Rt. Rev. Charles Jenkins Diocese of Louisiana
The Rt. Rev. Gary Lillibridge, Bishop of West Texas
The Rt. Rev. John Lipscomb, Bishop of Southwest Florida
The Rt. Rev. Edward Little, Bishop of Northern Indiana
The Rt. Rev. D. Bruce MacPherson, Bishop of Western Louisiana
The Rt. Rev. C. Wallis Ohl, Jr., Bishop of Northwest Texas
The Rt. Rev. Henry Parsley Diocese of Alabama
The Rt. Rev. Michael G. Smith, Bishop of North Dakota
The Rt. Rev. Don A. Wimberly, Bishop of Texas
The Rt. Rev. Geralyn Wolf, Bishop of Rhode Island

I omit:
The Rt. Rev. Mark L. MacDonald, of Alaska, because he has subsequently accepted a post in the Anglican Church of Canada.

So we have a total at present of 24 (including South Carolina).
There are I believe 109 established posts in ECUSA for bishops with jurisdiction, and a quarter of that number would be 27+.

More on this later.

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Cynthia Gilliatt
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Cynthia Gilliatt

But some, like the Bishop of RI, went to only one of the Camp Allen meetings. This is true of some others, as well. And it is not clear that all who went to just one are in agreement with the main group.

It is also true that none of these bishops ‘represent’ all of the laity and priests in their dioceses. Certainly we know, for example, that Bp Donut faces heroic resistance in his diocese.

Göran Koch-Swahne
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Doesn’t quite add up, he?

Am I surprised.

Marshall Scott
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I think there are other distinctions to consider. For example, Bishop Parsley has staunchly resisted congregations in his diocese joining the Network. I believe we will see some further opinions shake out here. Bishop Duncan’s response and AMiA’s response to the Dar es Salaam Communique suggest they don’t believe they would be expected to reconcile with the Episcopal Church, something that seems a more reasonable interpretation of the document; and Bishop Minns’ statement is ambiguous. (As to whether that “more reasonable interpretation” reflects actual possibility remains to be seen.) On the other hand, Bishop MacPherson is chair of the Presiding… Read more »

Prior Aelred
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The question arises as to whether the ABC has planted the seeds of a “Windsor Bishop” schism — I devoutly hope that it not the case (besides the fact that I am canonically resident in Fond du Lac).

There is no question that these bishops do not necessarily reflect the opinions of everyone in their dioceses (IIRC, there was a bit of a panic in Rhode Island for fear that the rest of TEC might thank that they had radically changed their previous position).

Jeremy
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Jeremy

Bp. Ohl of NW Texas did not attend the second meeting, therefore I am not sure he can be considered a “Windsor Bishop.”

Bill Locke
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Bill Locke

Bishop Wolf in RI has been quite clear that she attended and spoke for herself, and that nothing was changing within the diocese. There certainly have been no Diocesan Convention or Standing Committee actions that would make us a “Windsor Diocese.” Bp. Duncan, however, has been quite willing to slide disengenously from talking about Windsor bishops to Windsor dioceses.

Matthew
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Matthew

Surely you are forcing the case here? 24 of 107 episcopal posts makes 22.5 percent, in which case ++Rowan’s description of ‘nearly one quarter of the Bishops’ seems to be entirely accurate, even if the Diocesan claim of Winchester cannot be substantiated.

Simon Sarmiento
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Matthew, if the number 24 can be substantiated, then I would agree in respect of Rowan’s remark. My intention here is to establish the facts, which so far seem to have been singularly elusive.

Laurence Roberts
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Laurence Roberts

Matthew, if the number 24 can be substantiated, then I would agree in respect of Rowan’s remark. My intention here is to establish the facts, which so far seem to have been singularly elusive.

Posted by: Simon Sarmiento on Monday, 26 February

A clear case of trans-substantiation perhaps ?

Richard Lyon
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Richard Lyon

Rowan and The Primes just don’t get it. They can count pointy hats till the cows come home, BUT it’s not just the bishops that call the shots in TEC. Please God, that day will never come.

Laurence Roberts
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Laurence Roberts

The irony of the term ‘Windsor bishops’ seems lost on them and on Rowan !

ettuB
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ettuB

If Bp. Howard is a “Windsor Bishop” then why is the Diocese of Florida actively continuing its lawsuit against renegade churches? Clearly the numbers and categories are more than suspect. Every church I have seen in the US has few renegades – but revolution succeeds best when a few make a large noise. A book be D H Fischer “Albion’s Seed” tracks US regional ways -based on areas of the UK from which streams of immigrants came – it is the best explanation I have seen to date of the warrior culture that has its strength in the South and… Read more »

EPfizH
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EPfizH

I realize that I may be entering late here but one thing occurs to me. It was +Wimberly who invited those he, and I emphasize HE, felt were Windsor compliant to Camp Allen, at least to the first meeting. In regard to the second, did +Wimberly invite anyone who wanted to come? If not, are all bishops who did not attend Camp Allen, presumably those who +Wimberly did not determine to be sufficiently Windsor compliant by his standards automatically excluded from candidacy for primatial vicar? Is David Andersen a member of TEC or not? If not, as canonically resident in… Read more »

John Hamner
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I suggest a class-action suit in US Federal Court by willing members of TEC to expose the fraud being perpetuated by Duncan and his crowd. The seperation of church and state does not protect the Bishops and their Standing Committees or Priests and Vestries of renegade parishes from
being held personally responsible under RICO laws. Collusion and corruption should be EXPOSED. Let the auditors sweep in from the heavens and if one dollar of parish and diocese funds have been used to subvert the rule of General Convention, indict!!!!!!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!! AMEN and AMEN!

Tom Rightmyer
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Tom Rightmyer

If the 60-50+ vote at Camp Allen to refer to the Theology Committee is significant, the House of Bishops reflects what I see as a division in the Episcopal Church as a whole between those – high church or institutionalists – who value the Anglican Communion and are willing to compromise and those who value the Communion but are not.

Malcolm French+
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Malcolm French+

One of the obvious things to be drawn from this is that there is a range of opinion even among the “Windsor Bishops,” and that it is foolish to assume any particular unanimity among them on any part of the issue. Leaving aside the Network, who have a pretty clear agenda to destroy the Episcopal Church as it currently exists, it would appear that the remaining “Windsor Bishops” cover off several points of view, including, at the very least: – It was wrong of the Episcopal Church to do these things (ie, ordain +VGR), but schism is no less a… Read more »