THINKING ANGLICANS

CANA in Colorado

…The vestry of Grace and St. Stephen’s, Colorado Springs, announced March 26 its intention for the parish to leave the Diocese of Colorado and affiliate with the Convocation of Anglicans in North America (CANA). The parish’s rector, the Rev. Don Armstrong, has also transferred to CANA.

See the Living Church report titled Colorado Springs Parish Plans to Join CANA.

The parish’s own news page is here.

Today, the Rocky Mountain Gazette has published UPDATE Diocese accuses Grace’s Armstrong of theft, fraud and the Letter from Bishop O’Neill can be read as a PDF here. An earlier Gazette article is Question of authority.

Rocky Mountain News said Episcopal diocese threatens to sue breakaway parish leaders.

The New York Times earlier had Episcopalians in Colorado Plan to Leave Denomination

Associated Press is now saying Colo. Parish Leader Facing Money Charges. Updated Thursday morning

The Reverend Donald Armstrong is also the Executive Director of the Anglican Communion Institute.
The ACI issued this comment earlier.

Episcopal News Service yesterday had COLORADO: Diocese moves to protect remaining Episcopalians, parish property.

34
Leave a Reply

avatar
3000
34 Comment threads
0 Thread replies
0 Followers
 
Most reacted comment
Hottest comment thread
19 Comment authors
C.B.Göran Koch-SwahneMerseymikecounterlightCharlotte Recent comment authors
  Subscribe  
newest oldest most voted
Notify of
ruidh
Guest
ruidh

According to Lambeth resolutions, Fr. Armstrong may not affiliate with another province unless he is in good standing.

Oh, I forgot, Lambeth resolutions may only be used by the reasserters against the reappraisers.

Pluralist
Guest

Whereas (obviously a well loved word in that part of Colorado – see A Declaration of Anglican Fidelity) this is from the other side of the argument, CANA is carrying on regardless and this is another evidence that the Communiquê is effectively finished along with the Windsor Process and all of it.

NP
Guest
NP

Don’t worry about this TEC…..

you still have all the “inclusive” churches in the area

– they are really healthy and growing strongly, teaching a true and attractive message, “including” more people all the time, right?

C.B.
Guest
C.B.

The difficulty here is because Armstrong has left for CANA, while Presentment charges will likely be published, there is no indication whether the Church Attorney’s Report, upon which the Presentment will be issued, will be. Further it is not clear whether there will be civil or criminal charges. Consequently, there will in all likelihood be a cloud over this entire matter for a very long time. That said however, if the charges can be substantiated or the Church Attorney Report is published and shown to be sound, it will put Minns/CANA in a very bad light – even to other… Read more »

Curtis
Guest
Curtis

Colorado Springs is a national haven for right-wing religio-politico operatives. Focus on the Family is there and ousted Ted Haggard’s church is there. Ted Haggard was outed by a male prostitute here in Denver for soliciting his services. That’s the fair city of Colorado Springs. The town lays claim to national leadership of a rabid anti-gay agenda. And oops, there’s an Anglican that has the same agenda from there too. He most likely knows James Dobson and has tactical relations with the movement. He will, no doubt, get special applause at the local minister’s prayer breakfast.

Lapinbizarre
Guest
Lapinbizarre

Seems that Martyn Minns ain’t too particular about the company he keeps, but we already had suspicions along those lines, didn’t we?

ruidh
Guest
ruidh

Yeah, pretty much, NP.

Cynthia
Guest
Cynthia

If a civil court finds Mr. Armstrong guilty of the financial crimes he is accused of, will he be disciplined by CANA? I suppose he might try and defend himself agaist some of the charges by saying he is no longer bound by the constitution and canons of the Diocese of Colorado, but that won’t get him off the hook if he has practiced tax fraud. CANA may wish they had left him alone.

counterlight
Guest
counterlight

NP Right! Our scandalously liberal parish is about to baptize, confirm, and receive a record number of new members this Easter. Our pledging membership is the highest it’s been in almost a century (the parish is 150 years old). There is one denomination here in the USA which is suffering a sharp decline in members and an even worse rate of retention. Are they the flaming liberal UCC? Or are they those Unitarians who believe in everything and nothing? No, it’s the Southern Baptists, your model for religious success and denominational conquest; leaking like a sieve. The hard-right Lutheran Church… Read more »

Steven
Guest
Steven

NP:

R-i-i-i-g-h-t! Chortle. It’s the same everywhere in TEC–just let these tiny trouble-makers go, they’re unimportant compared to the huge congregations drawn by revisionist “pastors” and the masses rushing to embrace the NEW REVISIONIST FAITH!! Double chortle.

Steven

lapinbizarre
Guest
lapinbizarre

Cynthia. If there is reasonable cause for the charges against Armstrong, he will surely be looking at criminal charges, Federal and State.

Further to the topic of the company that bishop Mynns keeps is the Washington Post’s recent observation on the congregations at Truro and Falls Church: “Their pews are studded on Sunday mornings with such regulars as Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales ….” For an overview of Attorney General Gonzales’ ethical standards, check the current lead headlines of any US online newspaper. This is the guy who, as White House counsel, termed the Geneva Conventions “quaint”.

Mynsterpreost (=David Rowett)
Guest
Mynsterpreost (=David Rowett)

Funny that our ConsEv brethren seem so cool about allegations of fraud etc which seem to have been levelled at the parish priest some time ago. I would have thought that such allegations were at least as counter to Scripture as other texts they so love to hurl around. I find the ‘ner-ner-ner-ner-ner’ postings of NP and Steven remarkably complacent. Is this place really going to be one of their flagships, given that the vestry stands accused by parishioners of extreme autocracy? Are NP and Steven really comfortable with these huge ‘loans’ apparently being given to parish clergy without any… Read more »

BobinWashPA
Guest
BobinWashPA

If this were a Roman Catholic parish, they’d dissidents would already be off the property and the Bishop would be in total controll of things. Where I use to work 7 parishes were merge into one parish with 4 worship sites. One church was made into a parking lot, the two others condominiums and now two more were closed and are on the blocks to be sold. Two of these churches sued the diocese and lost hands down. Of course If that the kind of church folks want, where you pray, pay and obey??? No need for vestries or public… Read more »

Charlotte
Guest
Charlotte

The commenters on the Stand Firm! website, who appear to have information the rest of us do not, claim not only that the charges against Fr. Armstrong are false, but that the bishop of Colorado should be sued for libel for making them public.

http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/2697/

Am I the only one who is wearied by this sort of continual strident partisanship? If this is the face of the new CANA-and-ConseEvs-only Anglican Communion, I am sure I want no part of it.

Lapinbizarre
Guest
Lapinbizarre

Simon – FYI there there is a cursory response from Armstrong to the dioceses’ charges at the end of this piece. Roger

http://www.graceandststephens.org/news/articles/0327-%20Parish%20votes%20to%20secede–%20Rocky%20Mountain%20News.pdf

Apparently the parish has the interesting habit of transcribing news reports for its web page, rather than linking directly to the original, as you do. Interesting. Don’t have the time or the patience for textual comparison.

Counterlight
Guest
Counterlight

Apparently the organist and choir director of Grace and St. Stephen’s wants to stay in the Episcopal Church, and the rector’s decision to jump ship was so precipitous, that no one was told about it until it was a fait accompli.
Anyway, the poor organist is taking a beating over at Stand Firm. What a nice bunch of folks they have over there!

http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/2698/

Counterlight
Guest
Counterlight

Just as a follow-up to the choir director getting pummeled at Stand Firm, I understand that the keepers of that blog and Titusonenine have been very busy cleaning out the comment boxes on that issue; so many of them were so very offensive.

That says a lot about that crowd.

Lapinbizarre
Guest
Lapinbizarre

There are textual differences, including the title of the piece, between the “Rocky Mountain News” item as transcribed on the web page of Grace and St. Stephen’s church (linked in post above)and the piece as it appears on the website of the “Rocky Mountain News”:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5443702,00.html

Nonanglican
Guest
Nonanglican

I don’t know whether Armstrong is guilty or not. The secrecy and actions by the diocese to prevent people from knowing what was going on seems strange. If he is guilty, hopefully the IRS and his church will punish him, but I don’t think a church with a man like Bennison as a bishop has a right to mock or badmouth any bad leader.

choirboyfromhell
Guest
choirboyfromhell

Yes, I pity the poor choir director at the Colorado Springs parish also. But then again we music geeks have a saying, “all this singing would be so fun if it weren’t for all this religion.”

And yes, there are a lot of “those” LGBT people, probably disproportionately much more in those ensembles, and have been for centuries.

ChrisM
Guest
ChrisM

Nonanglican. Thank you for saying what I had wanted to say, but in a much more gracious way. It’s interesting that it takes a ‘non anglican’ to inject a bit of sense and reason into this thread. I know the issues are very close to the heart but in criticising ‘that crowd’ (Counterlight) people are stooping just as low. I feel or anybody who finds themselves out of step with the rest of their church family, be it in a parish or diocesan context. It must be an awful situation and, imperfect as it may have been, can’t we see… Read more »

Göran Koch-Swahne
Guest

Stand Firm started censoring the comments when it transpired the music director’s wife was 6 months pregnant…

;=)

counterlight
Guest
counterlight

I have no idea if Armstrong is guilty of financial malfeasance or not.
However, he needs to get a lawyer, or he needs to get a better lawyer. His timing and the suddeness of his jumping ship really make him look bad, and is certain to get the attention of a district attorney.

Laurence Roberts
Guest
Laurence Roberts

I found the suggestion that this organist, is a danger to children (nudge, nudge), and a thief and an idolator very callous, offensive and verging on hysterical.

I was amazed by the information that ‘professional organists’ — ‘especially classically trained ones’ are not open to the operation ‘of the Spirit’ !

Can this vicious mind-numbing crap really be Christianity?!

C.B.
Guest
C.B.

Rocky Mountain News is reporting that the Rev. Michael O’Donnell, a priest, and the Rev. Sally Ziegler, a deacon at Grace Church have elected to stay with TEC. That means only the Rector and the Vicar chose to go to CANA. Also, the Choirmaster elected to stay. All this without the congregation getting to vote. CANA and Minns better have a good explanation as to why they took Armstrong and the vestry in under these circumstances.

Jimmy Culp
Guest
Jimmy Culp

As an organist-choirmaster for many years (in a church of a different denomination even though I am an Episcopalian), I am appalled at the comments concerning the organist at Stand Firm. Such hate and ignorance. I’m so glad I didn’t spend my entire life working for any of those morons. I think when I retire in a couple of years, I’ll just stay home on Sunday.

Charlotte
Guest
Charlotte

This will not be an eirenic comment. I’ve read several of the threads on Stand Firm now, including the thread on the choir director’s decision to remain in the Episcopal Church. It is very important for all of us in the US who want to remain Episcopalian to read those comments, particularly if we happen to live in Network-dominated areas. These are usually also areas that are politically and socially extremely right wing. (Brits, Canadians, and Europeans reading this should consider themselves very lucky.) Blogs like Stand Firm! should serve to us as the murals of martyrdom on the walls… Read more »

counterlight
Guest
counterlight

I apologize if my use of the word “crowd” caused offense (?), but I felt that I was being quite restrained compared to the abuse being heaped upon a church musician who deserved none of the scorn and ridicule thrown at him.

Merseymike
Guest
Merseymike

This sums up exactly why liberals should be looking to form our own denomination – away from the conservatives. Nothing decent can exist whilst they are a part of it. You only need to look at their sites to recognise what they are actually like.

Göran Koch-Swahne
Guest

“As an organist-choirmaster for many years …………. I am appalled at the comments concerning the organist at Stand Firm.”

It seems to me that the comments on Titusonline are even more self-revealing.

Göran Koch-Swahne
Guest

For all the denials in Don Armstrong’s letter to the parish, it makes clear that there are several things worth investigating at Grace church. The Bishop’s letter gives them at 1.2 million dollars of illegal loans, irregular scholarships, pauper’s fund used for “representation”, and so on and so on. The same morning the preliminary report was to be published by the diocese the Vestry declared Grace church part of CANA, changing the locks. The congregation has been promised a full explanation of the charges followed by a vote on seceding Saturday 14th of April at 900 hours. Of course, the… Read more »

C.B.
Guest
C.B.

Goran – Can you point me to the information you have regarding the “local prosecutor” on the Vestry. Thanks.

Göran Koch-Swahne
Guest

The Colorado Springs Gazette

http://www.gazette.com/onset? id=…te=article.html

(I found it in an unmentionalble place)

C.B.
Guest
C.B.

For those of you who may be interested but did not get what Goran is referring to – the local District Attorney served on Grace Church’s vestry for three years, but up an resigned two weeks ago, before the vote to leave TEC, because he didn’t want there to be a conflict of interest should their be a criminal prosecution of Armstrong and others. He didn’t say whether he himself might be subject to prosecution as a member of the vestry with oversight of this mess, but it’s clear that he took the situation very seriously and wasn’t just expecting… Read more »