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Uganda Elects Bishop for Congregations in U.S.

The Archbishop of Uganda Henry Orombi has made an announcement. See this page on the NACDAP site for the full text.

The Most Rev’d Henry Luke Orombi, Archbishop of Uganda, with the consent of the House of Bishops of the Church of Uganda, given in December 2006 and reaffirmed today, will consecrate the Rev. John A.M. Guernsey, an American priest canonically resident in North Kigezi Diocese, Church of Uganda, as a Bishop in the Church of Uganda. He will be consecrated in Mbarara on 2nd September 2007, together with Rev. George Tibesigwa, Bishop-elect of Ankole Diocese.

Bishop-elect Guernsey will provide local episcopal oversight to the 26 congregations in the United States that are part of the Church of Uganda, on behalf of the ten Ugandan Bishops currently providing episcopal care to Biblically orthodox American congregations. He will also continue to serve as Rector of All Saints Church, Dale City, Virginia…

George Conger has this report in the Living Church Uganda to Consecrate Virginia Priest as Missionary Bishop to the U.S.

Episcopal Café has drawn attention to a Thinking Anglicans report from 2004, which included a link to a report written by Alison Barfoot in March 2004 and entitled Draft Proposal for Overseas AEO (PDF 200K). Martyn Minns, Bill Atwood and John Guernsey are all mentioned in this memo.

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ruidh
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ruidh

Gentlemen, the realignment proceeds apace. Pay no attention to the man behind the reredos.

JCF
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JCF

Pretty obvious where *this* is going: the “CAPA” crew will say (i.e., COMMAND!) “Rowan, *disinvite* TEC’s bishops to Lambeth, and invite Minns, Atwood and Guernsey instead!” (Plus, presumably, those nominally-TEC bishops—IF they’re still even that!—who requested “Alternative Primatial Oversight”).

If Rowan doesn’t, then we get to look forward to a split communion, and “Lambeth South” (and “Cantuar South”, in Abuja?)

Ian Montgomery
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Ian Montgomery

This is a splendid development as Fr. John is one of the most Godly and prayerful priests that I know and one of the smartest. That this is happening now is of course a direct response to the rejection of the Dar es Salaam communique first by the HOB and now the Executive Council. In this way there is now the hope of an effective pastoral council of oversight for the beleagured, law suit threatened, orthodox, not so tiny minority who are still hanging on in the US in spite of the “theological imperialism” of the US leaders who intransigently… Read more »

Lapinbizarre
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Lapinbizarre

New life and meaning for the old “Eye” expression “Uganda affairs”.

NP
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NP

JCF is right – the ABC has a choice and (to his shock, I am sure!) he is dealing with Anglican Archbishops who say what they mean and mean what they say…..so, given he does not want to split the church and certainly not for a small group of rebels in the AC, you will certainly see him bow to the view pf the vast majority of the AC and its Primates….yet again. The real question is, given that the current TEC leadership is bizarrely concerned to stay in the AC even if on the proviso that it can do… Read more »

JCF
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JCF

I will join you in praising God, Ian—the God whose will cannot be thwarted, *despite* the pitiful efforts of those like Orombi.

Lord have mercy!

Charlotte
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Charlotte

Ian Montgomery, on the contrary: none of this is being done in response to the Dar es Salaam Communique. Rather, the Dar es Salaam Communique was thrust upon the Primates by Archbishop Akinola, acting for and at the direction of Martyn Minns, David Anderson, and Robert Duncan, in an attempt to give cover for this round of irregular North American appointments. The demands it contains were obviously unacceptable to the Episcopal Church and were no doubt intended to be such. As many have noted, the timing of these appointments is strange, as the September 30th deadline for response to the… Read more »

Davis d'Ambly
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Davis d'Ambly

Soon there will be quite sufficient bishops of this sort in the US to seemingly require a new “Province” with a “Primate”…one wonder just who that will be.

Pluralist
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No it was not a direct response to the rejection of the Dar es Salaam communique, it was planned pretty much in advance. Presumably there will be this alternative geographical centre too, and they will be inviting congregations from places like Canada and, quite possibly, the UK, to join in their oversight. I think it is time to stand up for the values of the American Church: its inclusiveness and its theological diversity as the process of faith, and not to offer sticking plasters when actually there is no injury when these African Churches (or parts of) will want far… Read more »

Bob in SWpa
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Bob in SWpa

Uganda, Nigeria, Kenya, Rwanda but not one Northern Hemisphere appointee, why?
When I ask why I’m thinking of cultural, socio-economic, social order, education.

This realignment is driven by Africa and a minority of people in the northern hemisphere.
It makes me wonder about how education affects belief systems.

I’m not trying to be meanspirited or prejudicial. Culturally what makes it easier for some to accept the bible more literally than others.

Bob

Merseymike
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Merseymike

This has quite clearly been planned for a while, and I think is indicative of the GS plan to form their own conservative Communion.

JPM
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JPM

Looks like soon the entire population of the U.S. will consist of African bishops.

I am beginning to feel left out.

Ford Elms
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Ford Elms

“In this way there is now the hope of an effective pastoral council of oversight for the beleagured, law suit threatened, orthodox, not so tiny minority who are still hanging on in the US in spite of the “theological imperialism” of the US leaders who intransigently dismiss those who oppose their innovations.” Oh, my, Ian, you’ve really got it bad, haven’t you. This is the conspiracy as to Right see it. The Left sees large amounts of money from extremely wealthy arch-conservatives with ties to the Bush government and whose concern is to destabilize any Christian churches who oppose Bush’s,… Read more »

Kurt
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Kurt

“This has quite clearly been planned for a while, and I think is indicative of the GS plan to form their own conservative Communion.”–Merseymike

Agreed. Good riddance to them.

Ford Elms
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Ford Elms

“This has quite clearly been planned for a while, and I think is indicative of the GS plan to form their own conservative Communion.” Oh, no no no, Merseymike. Our consevo friends are quick to tell us what’s really going on. You see, every so often, some poor “orthodox” parish(how hand waving hysteria got turned into “orthodoxy” is beyond me, but still…) suggests that their bishop should make a statement that if you aren’t a Christian, you are going to Hell. This the evil “liberal” bishop refuses to do, because he will not engage in the oh so Christian practice… Read more »

NP
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NP

Bob says “This realignment is driven by Africa and a minority of people in the northern hemisphere. It makes me wonder about how education affects belief systems.”

Well, Bob, I am not sure how educated you are but look up the theological qulaifications of the GS Primates and their bishops….you will find many Harvard, Oxford and Cambridge pHDs etc etc…..why do you assume Africans are less educated than you???

NP
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NP

Ford – it is a very “ancient tradition” and, more than that, a command to combat false teaching and not tolerate heresy – as you know.

Ford Elms
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Ford Elms

NP,
But if the Church had not been willing to tolerate heresy in the past, there wouldn’t be any Anglican Evangelicals, as you well know. Others have tolerated your heresy, why are you unwilling to tolerate the heresy of others?

L Roberts
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L Roberts

There’s a link between PHDs and education ?

NP
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NP

Ford – two wrongs do not make a right, as you know….I really do not care who has tolerated what in the past…..what matters is what we in the AC believe to be right and wrong NOW and being committed to doing what is right in God’s eyes NOW. I know some would prefer we talk all issues to death and never come to conclusions but I am afraid that strategy is not working any longer….the AC has at last recognised that it has to make decisions and stick to them unless it wants to die…..and, looking at TWR and… Read more »

Lapinbizarre
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Lapinbizarre

“why do you assume Africans are less educated than you???” NP banging the Sugden racism drum again?

NP
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NP

Lapin – Canon Sugden did not ask the question about Africans’ education above, Bob did….

Lapinbizarre
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Lapinbizarre

NP. If you re-read Bob’s comment, you will see that it refers to “Africa and a minority of people in the northern hemisphere”. You misinterpret his statement when you re-define it as as a “question about African’s education” – it applies equally to a number of persons of non-African descent. My charge stands.

mynsterpreost (=David Rowett)
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mynsterpreost (=David Rowett)

NP: you are misrepresenting Bob’s post. He raises the question of cultural impact (in which he includes education). At no point does he introduce the ‘less educated’ matrix – you do, and in doing so reveal (as lapin says) a certain Sugdenite weakness.

Pluralist
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It turns out that the Alison Barfoot document is three large b&w .bmp images which when put through OCR become text, so I have done this here, for anyone who wants the document as text.

http://www.change.freeuk.com/learning/relthink/tecaeo.html

I did this to connect to an extra comment on this document (after Rwanda said it is not going to Lambeth 2008):

http://www.change.freeuk.com/learning/relthink/turnbull.html#interventions

NP
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NP

mynster – don’t think it is misrepresentation at all – why are questions raised on culture and education??

I do not see these questions raised in relation to +Sydney or Dr Andrew Goddard’s views…..and the same courtesy should be given to African theologians

Kurt
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Kurt

Do you always have to have the last word, NP?