Thinking Anglicans

NPR on foreign archbishops

National Public Radio has a 6 minute report: Foreign Archbishops Flock to U.S. Congregations.

Those interviewed include Miranda Hassett and Jim Naughton.

Listen by going here.

The NPR blurb is:

The U.S. Episcopal Church has been estranged from parts of the global Anglican church since a church in New Hampshire consecrated a gay bishop. The controversy has abated somewhat, but many in the church now worry about another potential divide. Depending on your point of view, African bishops are either stealing American worshippers — or rescuing them.

Just as Western missionaries spread the Christian message to Africa, African and other Anglican leaders are staking claims in the United States.

In the past two years, there’s been a flurry of reverse colonization as archbishops from Nigeria, Uganda, Kenya, Rwanda, Bolivia and Singapore have taken conservative Episcopal churches under their wings.

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Lapinbizarre
Lapinbizarre
13 years ago

What, he’s got a third initial now?

Pamela Grenfell Smith
13 years ago

I’ve listened to this three times now and Archbishop Orombi really does say that the American church has to die. What a strange thing to say…no coexistence is possible?? Goodness knows, there’s plenty of sinners for everybody.

NP
NP
13 years ago

Pamela – have you read how St Paul spoke of theretics?
He did not say, “Keep on talking with them and let them stay in leadership.” ++Orombi’s clear words are very close in tone to what St Paul said about the heretics of his time – it is quite right to want the work of false teachers to perish…..

(for example, see Galatians 5:12 for the harsh words Paul had for false teachers…..because the truth matters and justifying any sin is never acceptable to God)

Pluralist
13 years ago

I think he’s off to join his mate at Sydney. They are all starting to make trumpet-like noises.

Cynthia
Cynthia
13 years ago

Did he have that big old smile on his face every time he said our church had to die?

I much prefer the loving and joyful smiles of Desmund Tutu, whom I was recently blessed to see and hear in person for the first time. His is a message of joyful inclusion and affirmation of all of God’s children.

Kevin
Kevin
13 years ago

I believe he was speaking to those in the room, as in those who loose their life will save it those who hold on tight will loose it. It’s kind of frightening the Biblical ignorance shown here, the concept that we must die to self, die to worldly desires is throughout the New Testament, Jesus spoke of it, Paul and John continue the theme, James is pretty “in your face” about selfish ambition. Having come through the fire of Idi Amin, they had it brought to them, those of us who live in comfort must make a choice. Remember the… Read more »

Ford Elms
Ford Elms
13 years ago

“it is quite right to want the work of false teachers to perish…..”

So I needn’t feel guilty about my feelings about Evangelicals? See, I don’t agree.

NP
NP
13 years ago

Not at all, Ford.
If you see false teaching, pls use the word of God to expose it and correct it. It matters that we speak the TRUTH in LOVE to each other.
N

Ford Elms
Ford Elms
13 years ago

NP,
“It matters that we speak the TRUTH in LOVE to each other.”
When does your side plan to start?

Erika Baker
Erika Baker
13 years ago

NP
Ford, in particular, has been trying to point out your errors in Truth and Love.

He has not lectured, but tried to persuade.
He has not bible mined stones to throw at you, but has tried, usually gently, to show you other ways of reading Scripture.

THAT is how we are to engage with each other. THAT is what truth, and especially love means.

Ford Elms
Ford Elms
13 years ago

Thanks, Erika, but I fear today I have not lived up to your glowing assessment!

NP
NP
13 years ago

Nice sarcasm, Erika…. but you cannot say that I have tried to justify any sin which the bishops of the AC say is “incompatible with scripture”

Ford Elms
Ford Elms
13 years ago

“you cannot say that I have tried to justify any sin which the bishops of the AC say is “incompatible with scripture””

Perhaps not, NP, but whether or not something is a sin is not decided only by the bishops of the Anglican Church. You clearly accept things that are “incompatible with Scripture”, you even justify them.

Erika Baker
Erika Baker
13 years ago

No sarcasm, NP, I meant it.

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