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GAFCON: Bishop of Rochester's speech

The bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, spoke to GAFCON this evening on “The Nature and Future of the Anglican Communion”.

Martin Beckford in the Telegraph reports on his speech Western world is losing Christian values, says leading bishop.
Ruth Gledhill in her Times blog writes Nazir-Ali: there must be development in terms of doctrine.

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Graham Kings
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Michael Nazir-Ali focused on the concept of inculturation. On this issue, see the Fulcrum Submission to the Lambeth Commission. http://www.fulcrum-anglican.org.uk/news/2004/20040528lambeth.cfm?doc=66 In the appendix to that submission, we quoted Philip Jenkins on the Global South and North and church expectations. Jenkins wrote in his article, ‘After the Next Christendom’, International Bulletin of Missionary Research, Vol 28, No 1, Jan 2004, pp. 20-22: ‘I would make a caveat about what we might call the usefulness of the rising churches of the global South and their relevance to the ecclesiastical debates in the North. As I tried to argue repeatedly in the book… Read more »

dodgyvicar
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dodgyvicar

As his predecessor as General Secretary of the Church Missionary Society Bishop Harry Moore used to say ‘so what?’

Merseymike
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Merseymike

The point which is absolutely clear is that a single united and agreed message able to be applied in countries which are very different in their own cultural leanings is not going to exist – ever. Its more a case of having to accept difference and perhaps setting up structures that will mean all are somehow ‘within’ the communion but not accepting or recognising each other? I think its a dogs dinner. A split would be far better – at least then everyone knows exactly where they stand and what they believe. This is just more of the same –… Read more »

Pluralist
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Looks to me like he is setting out a kind of intellectual case to renew structures and even remove old ones, for stronger control from a perceived centre.

It demonstrates that they have to produce change and that if the conference doesn’t act as a launching board they will be like all the other evangelical efforts. I don’t buy any of this idea that they are wobbling, or unsure or the rest. The Marxists and the Trots had their workers and the intellectuals, and he is performing as the latter.

Erika Baker
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Erika Baker

“Each in its different ways expects the Southern churches to reproduce Western obsessions and approaches, rather than evolving their own distinctive solutions to their own particular problems.'” Isn’t it rather that Southern churches appear to be unable to let Northern churches be? The pressure to conform, the inability to accept that America may go a different way from Abuja, and the setting up of African Anglican churches within America has not been forced on the world by liberal Northern obsession with wanting the South to conform. Although holding very firm views, Northern churches have generally been urging a peaceful living… Read more »

Fr Mark
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Fr Mark

Graham Kings: but Nazir-Ali’s point about inculturation is a point against himself. You can’t be pro- more inculturation in Africa and Asia, yet against inculturation in liberal pro-gay England, can you? He is saying that the C of E is embedded in English society at every level, but at the same time to exclude from it a substantial number of the decent members of English society (gay people). It doesn’t make sense at all. If you believe in inculturation in Africa, you also need to believe in allowing gay blessings in England.

Graham Kings
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Thanks, Fr Mark. Being in favour of inculturation does not mean that there are not limits. Using another subject completely to make my point, it was considered by most members of the European Council of Churches that the Serbian Orthodox Church had gone beyond the limits of inculturation in giving backing to Serbian Nationalism in the campaign for ‘Greater Serbia’. We wrote in the Fulcrum submission to the Lambeth Commission: ‘The ‘inculturation’ of the Gospel is essential to its planting, growth and flourishing. The good news does need to be earthed deeply in local cultures, so that people feel at… Read more »

Treebeard
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Treebeard

But some scientists would work agaisnt this. Turning Christians into objects of scientific manipulation.

Can this be right ? Can it really be the way forward ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCzbNkyXO50&feature=related

Merseymike
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Merseymike

Graham Kings: I am afraid that you haven’t quite grasped that contemporary UK is no longer compatible with traditional Christianity in terms of its developing culture. How you deal with that is up to you, but I am afraid you have absolutely missed the boat if you want to try and turn the clock back,. Quite simply, we ain’t gonna let you. What is wrong is premodern, semi-primitive basket case nations run by dictators and with churches which appear to follow the same pattern. There is no place for that or the religions it spawns in progressive, liberal Britain. Whether… Read more »

JCF
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JCF

“Being in favour of inculturation does not mean that there are not limits.”

And around and around and around we go…

Lord have mercy!