Thinking Anglicans

media coverage of the apostolic constitution

Updated Wednesday

John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter has published Vatican releases rules for ex-Anglicans, insists ‘no change’ on celibacy.

Graham Kings has published at Cif belief The pope’s Anglican division. Also published in a longer version as the November Fulcrum newsletter.

Another article actually written before the publication of the texts today, but definitely worth reading, is Ordinary Anglicans? by Bosco Peters.

Andrew Brown has written at Cif belief about The Vatican’s small print for Anglicans.

Episcopal Life Online has Vatican’s Apostolic Constitution explained by Bill Franklin.

Ruth Gledhill has written at The Times Vatican holds line on celibacy for Anglican rebels. Headline later changed to Vatican opens its doors to married Anglican clergy.

Telegraph Nick Pisa Pope ‘is not trying to lure Anglicans into the Catholic Church’

BBC Robert Pigott Anglicans welcome offer from Rome

Daily Mail Steve Doughty Pope allows married Anglicans to become Catholic priests in bid to tempt them to defect

Living Church Responses Varied as Vatican Offers Plan Details

Ruth Gledhill has a video interview with Archbishop Vincent Nichols here. And an earlier blog entry here.

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robert ian williams
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This is excellent…..it will exclude ex-Catholics like Broadhurst and former catholic priests like Hepworth from being ordained.

The right to ordination for married men , means converts of course..surely an Anglican theological student who becomes convinced of the truth of Catholicism should be accepted as well.

I like the fact non-bishops can apply for episcopal insignia… like Abbesses who had croziers.

I just can’t see many Anglicans or quasi anglicans ( a la TAC) taking this up.

Furthermore the Anglican tradition the Vatican welcomes is thoroughly excised of Cranmer’s Protestantism! So is it actually authentically Anglican?

Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

“Priests will be permitted to have a ‘secular’ job outside the Church, with the permission of their ordinary – perhaps a concession to the reality that at least in the beginning, these ordinariates are likely to struggle with financial resources” – National Catholic reporter – As was always expected – at least by the R.C. authorities who will no doubt be supervising these ‘Anglican Ordinariates’ – departing Clergy from the Church of England would have to be really motivated to give up their livelihood and vicarages for the doubtful security of a Roman Catholic future. This will surely be the… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

“There is more good news for old men in the document. Former Anglican bishops, even married ones, are given special recognition. They may petition the Pope for an episcopal coat of arms; and, if they become Ordinaries – which is to say they will function as is they were bishops” – Graham Kings, Reform – So, the Bishop of Rome must have been reading on this site about the concern of Anglican bishops who want to move away from Anglicanism into the new ordinariates; to the point where he has given way on their desire to remain bishops in the… Read more »

Charlotte
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Charlotte

I’m wondering whether I’m wrong in seeing a likeness between the Vatican’s Apostolic Constitution and a certain offer made a year or two ago by Archbishop Williams to +John Howe of Central Florida and other disaffected TEC dioceses. ++Rowan’s offer seemed to give +Howe and his diocese a way to bypass their national church, TEC, altogether. Instead, they could join themselves directly, as a diocese, to what ++Rowan keeps wanting to call the “Anglican Church.” This offer would be extended to +Howe and his diocese, and to other conservative and disaffected dioceses, in the event that TEC refused to sign… Read more »

Graham Kings
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Andrew Burnham, Bishop of Ebbsfleet, has commented on the Fulcrum forum on this issue http://www.fulcrum-anglican.org.uk/forum/thread.cfm?thread=13995 I mentioned in my Guardian article and Fulcrum newsletter the suggestion from a Catholic commentator that the name of the Personal Ordinariate be linked to John Henry Newman. Yesterday, the day of the publication of the Apostolic Constitution, Vincent Nichols, the Catholic Archbishop of Westminster, chaired a press conference in London. He introduced Jack Sullivan, the American deacon who was healed following Sullivan’s prayer to Newman, after seeing a television programme about him. Riazat Butt has written an article in The Guardian today, 10 November… Read more »

Spirit of Vatican II
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Spirit of Vatican II

Please leave Newman out of it.

Adam Armstrong
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dodgey_vicar
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dodgey_vicar

What looks like a bishop, talks like a bishop, acts like a bishop, dresses like a bishop, but isn’t a bishop? OOh I know it’s a former Anglican Bishop who has joined Rome, and whose orders are utterly invalid, except for those former Anglicans whose job it is for him to keep in order, while the RC bishop does the ‘proper’ bishoping. I am not a bishop, but I have a mitre, and like dressing up. In what way would I be any less or more of a bishop that a new RC/Anglican one? Perhaps the difference is ONLY in… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

“This really does sound similar to the Apostolic Constitution offered by the Pope to FiF dioceses, who can now join themselves, as dioceses, directly to the Roman Catholic Church, keeping their bishop and at least some of their rites. The offer is extended to disaffected Anglicans who reject the ordination of women” – Charlotte – I think you will find, Charlotte, that the ABC did not actually offer any sort of ‘Ordinariate’ to dissident dioceses of TEC. That was largely a figment of Bishop Howe’s imagination – plus, of course, presse speculation at the time. What Archbishop Rowan was ‘thinking… Read more »

Fr. Shawn
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Fr. Shawn

…which is where Newman ended his career: OUT OF IT!

anthony
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anthony

Fr. Shawn said “…which is where Newman ended his career: OUT OF IT!” Unlike Cardinal Manning, who got around. Anyway, there are those of us who would be tempted to consider the Birmingham Oratory an equally seminal institution to a diocese. ITEM: There are not actually going to be very many of these ordinariates, only one per country, most likely, and far from every country. It is not impossible that there will be enough unmarried or widowed former Anglican Bishops qualified to be consecrated in the Roman Church and so staff them. But in any case, this move is not… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

“…….which is where Newman ended his career: OUT OF IT!” – Fr. Shawn –

But at least, this was once a ‘great Anglican’ who, though he became a Roman Catholic, knew all about, and celebrated, ‘Special Friendships’ -which is something denied to present-day R.C.s.

Also interesting; that the Pope will proclaim special status for this ex-Anglican – so soon after his (B.’s) proclamation of special Anglican Ordinariates. Talk about duplicity.

The Rev. Randall Keeney
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The Rev. Randall Keeney

Irony – Anglican Bishops who can’t stand the notion of women serving as “real” bishops escape the heresy by going to Rome where they won’t be able to serve as “real” bishops.

Some things do seem too good to be true.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Randall