Thinking Anglicans

Anglican Covenant: two more diocesan synods

This Saturday two more diocesan synods voted on the Anglican Covenant motion: Chichester, and Southwell & Nottingham.

Chichester: covenant accepted

Bishops: 2 for / 0 against / 0 abstentions
Clergy: 29 for / 9 against / 1 abstention
Laity: 39 for / 25 against / 1 abstention

Southwell & Nottingham: covenant accepted

Bishops: 2 for / 0 against / 0 abstentions
Clergy 15 for / 5 against / 0 abstentions
Laity: 31 for / 6 against / 1 abstention

25 diocesan synods have now voted against the covenant, and 17 in favour. The remaining two dioceses, Newcastle and York, will vote next Saturday (28 April).

22
Leave a Reply

avatar
3000
22 Comment threads
0 Thread replies
0 Followers
 
Most reacted comment
Hottest comment thread
15 Comment authors
Laurence RobertsAFSNewarkPerry ButlerRPNewarkLaurence C. Recent comment authors
  Subscribe  
newest oldest
Notify of
JeremyP
Guest
JeremyP

No comment today here on this – the twittersphere is uninterested –

“…the busy world is hushed, the fever of life is over, and our work is done”.

And next week GAFCON will rubbish the project some more.

RIP Anglican Covenant

Rod Gillis
Guest
Rod Gillis

The Canadian House of Bishops has just concluded its spring meeting. Their official press release states they heard about a process for dealing with the proposed Anglican Covenant. No details appear available. ( see below) Perhaps the Canadian wing of the “No Covenant” movement will have some insights.

http://news.anglican.ca/news/stories/2486?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+acc-news+%28Anglican+Church+of+Canada+News

RPNewark
Guest
RPNewark

S & N figures House For Against Abstentions Bishops 2 0 0 Clergy 15 5 0 Laity 31 6 1 Passed in all three houses. I’m disappointed but, given the make-up of the diocese, not surprised.

concerned anglican
Guest
concerned anglican

Chichester’s result is no surprise as the Covenant would be seen vaguely as a way to stop women bishops. Southwell and Nottingham is more unexpected.

Regardless of how the last two dioceses next week vote the overall numbers show a deeply divided Church, which is a very good reason for stopping the process of the Covenant completely. I hope that the new Archbishop will have the courage to do so.

However, the Covenant process may be like a Titanic at sea, it has a momentum that is almost impossible to stop before it hits the iceberg.

Professor Brian Walker MBE
Guest

My faith in the Church of England has been strengthened by the Diocese voting on the proposed Anglican Communion Covenant, which now stands at 17 For, 25 Against, 2 still to vote, despite the majority of General Synod voting For. This proposed covenant reveals intolerance by our hierarchical structure of those parts of our Anglican Communion that have differing approaches or views. Once an action or decision is declared incompatible with the proposed covenant, the Standing Committee is to make further recommendations as to the relational consequences which flow from that action. While the proposed covenant does not spell out… Read more »

Richard Ashby
Guest
Richard Ashby

Since we know that the Covenant is designed to control those who wish to include LGBT people as full and active members of the Church, the Chichester result could also be seen as demonstrating the disconnection between the Church and the largest LGBT community outside London, situated right in the middle of the Diocese. That is not to denigrate the hard work of many parish priests and the personal support of the current Bishop for the survey of parish attitudes to LGBT being undertaken by Changing Attitude Sussex. But this disconnection is demonstrated in the Statement of need for a… Read more »

Perry Butler
Guest
Perry Butler

Somewhat suprised at the small number in the Southwell house of Clergy…or didnt many bother to attend??

Laurence Roberts
Guest
Laurence Roberts

‘whose teaching and lifestyle accord with Issues in Human Sexuality.’

Issues is just a discussion paperback – now years out of date. Why do they pretend it is something, anything more than that ?

It was lilly-livered when it came out, by now it is risible. Treating it as the holy grail makes the Church a laughing stock.

THIS kind of casual dishonesty is soul-destroying

literally

Father Ron Smith
Guest

Time to look to the Overseas Provinces? We in Christchurch, New Zealand, just rejected the Covenant in our Saturday Synod – with no ‘following motion’ – we might leave that to our General Synod in July. We had much more important subjects to address – the future of our Cathedral and church buildings in the Diocese.

Edward Prebble
Guest
Edward Prebble

It is worth pointing out that Christchurch, the final Tikanga Pakeha diocese of the Anglican church in Aotearoa, New Zealand, and Polynesia, also rejected the Covenant last weekend. the pro-covenant motion passed in the House of laity, but was rejected by the clergy. That means that four out of seven dioceses plus Tikanga Maori have voted against.

Bosco Peters’ take on the debate is at:
http://liturgy.co.nz/christchurch-votes-against-anglican-covenant/9526

and Peter Carrell’s:
http://anglicandownunder.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/not-today-covenant-goes-down-in.html

Father David
Guest
Father David

Only twenty from the House of Clergy bothered to turn up for such a vital vote on the Covenant? It must have felt more like a Deanery rather than a Diocesan Synod and we all know the definition of a Deanery Synod ……

Richard Ashby
Guest
Richard Ashby

Thank you Laurence, my point exactly.

Laurence C.
Guest
Laurence C.

“Only twenty from the House of Clergy bothered to turn up for such a vital vote on the Covenant?” Father David

Perhaps they were put off by the Bishop of Southwell’s catchy pro-covenant slogan “The wisest next stage” – terribly difficult to say, never mind agree with.

Perry Butler
Guest
Perry Butler

Thanks Peter…like Fr David I wonder why so many clergy didnt turn up…at the very least a poor example to the House of Laity. Any member of the Southwell House of Clergy willing to comment? It has long been a surprise to me how few clergy and deanery synod reps bother to vote in the General Synod elections given the importance of many of the decisions made there.

Erika Baker
Guest
Erika Baker

The Covenant vote is no longer vital in the CoE. Turning out to vote now must feel like turning out to vote in a safe constituency. If you do it at all you do it out of a sense of duty.
Whichever way you want to vote, if it makes no difference to the overall outcome, why bother?

Laurence C.
Guest
Laurence C.

“Thanks Peter…like Fr David I wonder why so many clergy didnt turn up” Perry Butler

Maybe failing to turn up was a way of abstaining without doing it publicly in front of their Bishop – a ‘Yes to the Covenant’ poster-boy.

http://www.yestothecovenant.org/
(top left slideshow)

Laurence Roberts
Guest
Laurence Roberts

‘at the very least a poor example to the House of Laity.’

? Duh ! What’s this all about ? Why should ‘the House of Laity’require the witness of ‘good’ ‘examples’ ?

The H of L are all grown up !

Could the same be said of the clergy ?

Let us finally be done with such paternalism.

RPNewark
Guest
RPNewark

Perry Butler & Fr. David, As Peter Owen has pointed out, the CRRs require that the size of the diocesan synod shall be in the range 100-270 and that the sizes of the houses of clergy and laity be approximately equal. Southwell & Nottingham, one of the smaller dioceses in the CofE, aims for a synod size of about 120 and at the last count that I have, the size of the house of clergy, including ex-officio members was 59 and of the house of laity 63. Unfortunately there were, at that same last count, 5 lay and 14 clerical… Read more »

Perry Butler
Guest
Perry Butler

As a playful aside…when Bishop Butler was appointed Bishop of Southampton I received a letter from the then Bishop of Carlisle, Graham Dow welcoming me to the episcopate and inviting me to a meeting of Evangelical bishops at a hotel in Leeds.It was interesting to learn that the Evangelical bishops met separately from time to time to discuss matters..I sometimes wonder if other groupings of bishops do the same. Obviously Bishop Dow’s secretary hadnt read Crockford’s properly.Paul Butler then held a post in the Chelmsford diocese I think. Living in Bloomsbury I wrote to +Carlisle suggesting the letter be redirected… Read more »

AFSNewark
Guest
AFSNewark

Like RPNewark I’m disappointed that Southwell & Nottingham voted in favour of the Covenant. Doing so was pointless, particularly since it was dead in the water anyway.

Laurence Roberts
Guest
Laurence Roberts

‘As a playful aside…when Bishop Butler was appointed Bishop of Southampton I received a letter from the then Bishop of Carlisle, Graham Dow welcoming me to the episcopate and inviting me to a meeting of Evangelical bishops at a hotel in Leeds.’ Perry Butler

Oh, how I wish you had gone Perry ~ your aside then would have been even more playful- I can imagine !

Maybe their problem is talking to each other too much while sequestered in hotels.