Thinking Anglicans

Opinion – 6 February 2016

Robert Cotton reflects on his five years as a member of the Archbishops’ Council.

Church Times leader Don’t rest yet

The Bishop of St Albans, Rt Rev Dr Alan Smith Statement on Government plans to extend Sunday trading

ChurchPOP 15 Hilarious Complaints Medieval Scribes Left in the Margins

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Pam

I hadn’t thought much about medieval scribes leaving complaints in the margins! Just as well they’re hilarious and didn’t consist of phrases like “Can’t I do something else” or “The employment agency sent me to the wrong place”.

Froghole
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Froghole

As I see it the proposals issued by BIS on Sunday trading amount to a local option. On the face of it, this looks like a modest proposal that merely extends the compromise agreed in 1993. Whilst the protest issued by Dr Smith is, in many senses plausible (not least because the further encouragement of visceral consumption in a society that is already highly indebted is problematic, if not desperate), it assumes that Sunday is a special day across England. Can that really be assumed in the increasing number of places where the majority are no longer even of Christian… Read more »

Susannah Clark
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On the Church Times article, I feel great nostalgia – and even a sense of loss – for the days when Sunday was truly the day of rest, and I’d walk through silent and empty streets on my way to church, then return home to the special meal of the week (cooked by someone!) and know the whole family was home and the day was different. Of course, I grew up with certain privileges, and life was never like that for everyone. But there *is* a deep theological message in the concept of a day of rest, and the way… Read more »

Father David
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Father David

Anyone know where I can obtain a pirated copy of THAT WAS THE CHURCH THAT WAS which has apparently been withdrawn for being too incendiary?

Susannah Clark
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I loved Robert Cotton’s article. Three things particularly provoked thought and reflection. 1. He wrote: “In an organisation that has such a strong sense of devolved responsibility it is vital that those ‘at the centre’ do not take away the authority and motivation of those who have to make decisions at a more local level.” This statement could be applied to LGBTI Mission’s stated aspiration for local priests and churches to exercise their own consciences and ministry in terms of equal marriage. As things stand, nothing could be further from the truth. Instead, we have “top down”. The Primates try… Read more »

Susannah Clark
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(Concluding…) 3. Thirdly, these comments resonate and concern: “Increasingly I see, in the council, the General Synod and the Church as a whole, a readiness to listen to special advisors from one’s own tribe – people who are ‘one of us’… As I leave the council, one of my greatest concerns is that ‘they’ are increasingly believing their own rhetoric.” There is indeed rhetoric… and spin… and the desire to enforce a uniformity based only on ‘my way’. This then alienates those ‘others’ who think differently. This resort to ‘camps’ and ‘tribes’ leads towards schism. It defines unity only within… Read more »

Froghole
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Froghole

Fr David: As you may know, there was an article in Thursday’s Spectator by Damian Thompson about why “That Was The Church That Was” has been ‘pulled’: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/whats-so-dangerous-about-this-book-about-the-church-of-england/. Although Dr Thompson often has what I suppose could be described most tactfully as ‘a certain point of view’, I am sure that – even if there are factual errors that require correction and/or there is a dissonance between the prose of Andrew Brown and that of Linda Woodhead – the book should have something interesting to say about the current trajectory of the Church, even if I don’t necessarily agree with… Read more »

peter kettle
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peter kettle

Father David: there is an article about this by Damian Thomson in this week’s Spectator – all advance review copies were apparently requested to be returned forthwith.

David Pocklington
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Anyone interested in marginal notes &c should visit the exhibition “Scholar, courtier and magician” containing some of the lost library of Dr John Dee, 1527-1609. Known for his study of angels and alchemy, he was an advisor to Queen Elizabeth I, and a prolific writer of marginal notes and drawings. Royal College of Physicians, until 29 July.
https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/events/scholar-courtier-magician-lost-library-john-dee

Richard
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Richard

The study of “Erotic Marginalia” — lwed, cartoon-like drawings along with comments — was a popular thesis topic among students majoring in medieval languages.

ExRevd
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ExRevd

Froghole: I fear that for “pulled” read “pulped”

Father David
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Father David

It is now ten years since the publication of Michael Hampson’s book “Last Rites – The End of the Church of England” and the old girl is still very much alive and kicking. I’m quite sure that she will also survive the publication of THAT WAS THE CHURCH THAT WAS. All this temporary withdrawal has succeeded in doing is to ensure much extra publicity for the tome and will considerably boost sales when the book is eventually released for publication.

Fr William
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Fr. David, imho Hampson was/is prophetic about different brands and finance, if nothing else. And a good short historical analysis. From this Midlands urban benefice where couples are having difficulty in affording weddings, where diocesan shares rise more than incomes or giving, and where people simply don’t have spare time to give to anything let alone church, the future staffing for two large and nationally important buildings in what is a significantly Muslim area looks shaky at best. Yet for the c of e to abandon full time paid ministry here would be imbecilic. Yet nothing is impossible with managers… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
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Robert Cotton, in his reflections after having been a member of the archbishops’ Council for the last five years, mentions his fears about the possibility of the Council making decisions that might pre-empt action being taken at the local level that might be seen to threaten the ‘authority’ of the Council. This makes one wonder at the level of authority – if any – being assumed by the Archbishops, that might undercut the authority of General Synod? There would also seem to be a culture iof disdain for any minority voices on the Council – which, in the circumstances of… Read more »

Erika Baker
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Erika Baker

Fr David,
I don’t think that without having read the book, we can necessarily infer that it is about the “death” of the Church of England.
It could be about a change from how it used to be.

Father David
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Father David

Fr. William. You’ve hit the nail on the head with regard to the future shape of the C of E. With all these managerial types being talent pooled and appointed to dioceses – the future for parishes post the key crunch year of 2020 is looking very bleak indeed. For we all know what managers have as their major concerns – Finance, Profit Margins,Targets. If these are not met then that inevitably leads to Closures and Redundancies.

Fr Paul
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Fr Paul

Fr Ron – “My real fear is that the Church of England (and the Archbishops’ Council) may become even more conservative.”

Given the recent statistics regarding CofE members becoming increasingly open to same-sex marriage I don’t think it’s the Church that is becoming more conservative but an increasing distance between the membership and the leadership.

Father David
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Father David

Well, the sooner the book is published which is subtitled “How the Church of England lost the English People” the sooner we can make our own minds up as to whether or not it is about the “death” of the Church of England. I am sure we can all speculate as to the reasons for the well documented decline. I did point out that the obituary of the National Church has often been publicised and has proved to be a premature prediction. So – publish and be damned.

James Byron
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James Byron

Fr Paul, those figures allow members to self-identify: there’s no indication that it refers to those who donate money and attend weekly. The people on the electoral rolls are the ones who have a voice: it’s crucial that we know what they think.

Given the prominence of conservative Christian Unions in recruiting young members, I wouldn’t be at all certain that the church will head in a liberal direction. Especially when most of its liberal leaders are collaborators who’ve spent decades accepting and enforcing conservative policy.