Saturday, 10 February 2007

Church Times: the Virginia reports

Last week, I linked to the main news story by Paul Handley Virginia tells secessionists: see you in court.

The other reports are now available to non-subscribers:
The inhibited priest
Talk to our attorneys
The Bishop interviewed
The priest who is staying
The faithful remnant

Posted by Simon Sarmiento on Saturday, 10 February 2007 at 12:00pm GMT | TrackBack
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Thank you for that excellent interview with Bishop Lee. It increased my respect for him tremendously. He has certainly gone the extra mile. Best wishes for his successor.

Posted by: Prior Aelred on Saturday, 10 February 2007 at 7:59pm GMT

Did you read that statement in the faithful remnant piece? "They don't have the bickering element anymore." Wouldn't THAT be great?

Posted by: Curtis on Sunday, 11 February 2007 at 2:44am GMT

"As a result, he believes strongly that the argument is about homosexuality, pure and simple. Nothing else has the power to inflame passions to such a degree. And, besides, the writers of the letters tell him so. He equates faithful homosexual partnerships with the marriage of a divorced person: "It's not the ideal, but sometimes it's as close as you can come to the ideal.・Despite the hatred, he detects a growing acceptance of gay and lesbian people in the US."

Where does this homophobic passion come from? It may have deep evolutionary roots, if it is true that Konrad Lorenz detected homophobic reactions among the animals he studied. It has deep roots as well in three thousand years of Judaeo-Christian indoctrination -- for which we must repent. It has roots also in a particular American pathology -- the country that gave us the genocide of Indians, the torture and lynching of blacks, the super-macho military machine that has brought megadeath to every part of the globe, has profound pathologies that are partly surfacing in this homophobic rage.

In a sense it is not gays and lesbians who are suffering any more -- in fact they are thriving on being faced with such brutish opposition. It is the homophobes who are really suffering, and to whom we must reach out in Christlike patience as Bishop Lee and Bp Jefferts Schori do.

Posted by: Fr Joseph O'Leary on Sunday, 11 February 2007 at 3:09am GMT

It's not "Judeo-Christian", it's Neo Platonist.

The Problem of Evil from Alexandria.

Posted by: Göran Koch-Swahne on Sunday, 11 February 2007 at 10:49am GMT

That's true, we all know how opposed to any form of homosexuality that the Platonists and their later followers were.

As well as the indisputable fact that neo-platonism began 3000 years ago.

You may have noticed that I was attempting to be a wee bit ironic there.

Posted by: James Crocker on Sunday, 11 February 2007 at 8:09pm GMT

Neoplatonism was ardently gay, surely -- beginning with the earliest Neoplatonist text, Plotinus's "On Beauty". Plato was for a long time the preservative of Christianity from the extremes of homophobia (even playing that role in some writings of Benedict XVI, who wrote in 2002:

"Plato contemplates the encounter with beauty as the salutary emotional shock that makes man leave his shell and sparks his “enthusiasm” by attracting him to what is other than himself. Man, says Plato, has lost the original perfection that was conceived for him. He is now perennially searching for the healing primitive form. Nostalgia and longing impel him to pursue the quest; beauty prevents him from being content with just daily life. It causes him to suffer. In a Platonic sense, we could say that the arrow of nostalgia pierces man, wounds him and in this way gives him wings, lifts him upwards toward the transcendent."

Nor was Neoplatonism manichean -- rather it saw evil as non-existent, a defect in being (a view adopted by St Augustine). There is some murkiness about the status and function of matter in Plotinus's philosophy, but it should be noted that he adopted a Stoic vision of the cosmos and affirmed its splendour.

Posted by: Fr Joseph O'Leary on Monday, 12 February 2007 at 1:04am GMT

There is an identical anti-Cosmic claim that Buddhism be the "neutral" middle-ground between Hunduism and Jainism...

So you will need to take that one further out in the country.

Amongst all other horrible things, Neo Platonism brought the Gnosticist superstitions about "Sperm" over into the (pretended Christian) Byzantine and later Carolingian State Academia, and thence into the Theology of the Church.

She did her best to resist well into the 14th century.

Whether persons involved in this were "gay" or not is entirely un-relevant - here as always - authoritarian movements always "mean different things to different people", which is that they are liberating to some at the same time as they oppress others - just look at Communism and Nazism of the last century.

And as to the world's most prominent persecutors... well, it's obvious that it takes one to know one ;=)

Posted by: Göran Koch-Swahne on Monday, 12 February 2007 at 5:39pm GMT
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