Sunday, 20 July 2008

Lambeth: more Saturday news

I said earlier that news was scarce yesterday. The Bishop of Durham leapt to the rescue, and gave interviews to all the journalists he could find, who happily quoted him at some length, but apparently didn’t ask any questions.

The longest quotes were in the Telegraph where Jonathan Wynne-Jones wrote Anglican communion a ‘train wreck’, says bishop.

“All sorts of forces have built up over the years in the communion through misunderstanding and people doing things differently without really consulting,” he said.

“Sooner or later this was all going to meet and hit the buffers. It’s been like a slow-moving train wreck.”

The bishop, who is highly respected and a close friend of the Archbishop of Canterbury, told The Sunday Telegraph that the presence of American bishops involved in the consecration of Gene Robinson, the first openly homosexual Anglican bishop, was proving divisive.

“A lot of people here have a lot of questions about why the American bishops are here,” he said. “Those questions are in the room.”

…Bishop Wright said that there was mistrust between the different factions over who was going to make the next significant move. “It’s like a very odd game of cards,” he said. “We’re all being very civil and talking politely, but people are wondering who is going to play which card next and hence what responses may be possible.”

Bishop Wright added that the summit was lacking direction and questioned how effective it would be.

“There’s a sense that we’re all not quite sure where this is going. That’s the mood of the conference. It is gloriously confusing at the moment and slightly worrying in that one has no idea what’s actually going on.”

But he also spoke to either Victoria Combe or Ruth Gledhill who wrote Gay bishop’s ‘row ‘like Iraq war’ for the Sunday Times.

One of the Church of England’s most senior bishops has compared the consecration of a gay bishop in America to the invasion of Iraq.

Tom Wright, the bishop of Durham and the fourth most senior in the English hierarchy, said both events showed Americans were prepared to act “how they please” with disregard for the rest of the world…

…Wright, who represents moderate conservative clerics who, rather than schism, want provision within the church for conservatives opposed to gay clergy and women bishops, said: “George Bush said he was going to invade Iraq. Everyone told him not to because there would be consequences, but he did it anyway.

“The Americans floated the balloon in 2003 when they consecrated Gene Robinson as bishop of New Hampshire. They knew exactly what they were doing then and they know exactly what they are doing now. They knew it would be unacceptable to the majority of the Communion. They are doing exactly as they please.”

He continued: “Either the rest of the world caves in or someone has to stand up to them.”

And he spoke to Riazat Butt whose article for the Guardian was mainly about Church of England unrest threatens to harm links with Vatican.

As a consequence of all this Jim Naughton had a dream nightmare of an interview with Bishop Wright, as reported at Live: a lesson in moral reasoning on the Episcopal Café.

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I think Bishop Wright quite insightful but his comparing the consecration of Gene Robinson to the Iraq war streches. According to Reuter's we long ago passed the 1,000,000 deaths in the Iraq war and as far as I know, there are none in the Robinson controversy.

Posted by: Canon G on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 3:21pm BST

Jim Naughton's piece was great. The more +Wright blathers, the more he comes across as a narcissitic imbecile. He should stick to writing books. God help us if this man ever gets an archbishopric.

Posted by: John Omani on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 3:30pm BST

Does Bp. Wright remember that, after the US, Great Britain was the largest component of the Coalition of the Willing, and Tony Blair's support of the war was one of the chief arguments the administration used for saying that the invasion was not unilateral? There are those who can say that "George Bush decided" etc. but an Englishman cannot be in that company.

Posted by: Richard on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 3:39pm BST

Almost unbelievably irresponsible.

In one respect only is Tom Wright a force for unity: in his home diocese (where I live) practically all shades of Anglican opinion are united in considering him a rotten bishop.

Posted by: john on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 3:56pm BST

Sadly, some will do and say just about anyting to justify their own personal prejudice ... be it against women, gay men, Americans, and -- I'd imagine -- a host of others.

What a truly irresponsible comment for a man of Bishop Wright's rank.

Posted by: Hopper on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 4:18pm BST

I knew of the suggestion that the job of Archbishop makes the holder go mad but I didn't think it applied to the see of Durham. Clearly this guy cannot keep his counsel.

Posted by: Pluralist on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 4:41pm BST

This merely demonstrates that some souls can only comprehend gatherings in terms of conflict and power play.

Maybe some are having withdrawal symptoms as the usual ringleaders of conflict aren't there to set the agenda, and they were quite happy to play along on someone else's plans.

Typical dodging of responsibility. Some souls might not start the fight but don't mind cheering and egging on when others were having a go. Such lovers of conflict and violence are suited to warring neighbourhoods where hoodlums take out vendettas and traumatize the weak and vulnerable.

Hardly the kinds of souls who bring healing with their feet and tranquility with their presence.

Posted by: Cheryl Va. on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 4:44pm BST

John, I live in Durham diocese as well and I *used* to think very highly of +Tom having spoken to him several times at the Cathedral.

I don't understand why he voted against women bishops the other week and as a woman considering ordination found it rather hurtful but this comment about +Gene takes the biscuit. I can't believe a man of his learning and holiness could actually make such a crazy comparison.

I can only assume that the power of being the bishop of Durham and the way it means people tend to listen to him is going to his head! Maybe if he spent more time in his diocese and less time jetting here and there he'd be a bit more considered about what he says to the media...

Posted by: Katie on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 6:20pm BST

"The bishop, who is highly respected and a close friend of the Archbishop of Canterbury, told The Sunday Telegraph that the presence of American bishops involved in the consecration of Gene Robinson, the first openly homosexual Anglican bishop, was proving divisive.

"“A lot of people here have a lot of questions about why the American bishops are here,” he said. “Those questions are in the room.""

They are there because they were invited. By your pal the ABC,who seems to have a middling better grasp of reality than you do, which is not saying much, because he can't see +Gene, who was legally and duly elected and consecrated like all the rest.

Why is their presence divisive? And how many of the TEC bishops present were consecrators? Can you name them?

Go back under the rock you live under.

Posted by: Cynthia Gilliatt on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 7:21pm BST

Grandstanding, goofy grandstanding...very shabby stuff from his Durhamness.

Posted by: Leonardo Ricardo on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 7:24pm BST

I quite a d o r e the comments on the link!

Posted by: Göran Koch-Swahne on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 8:31pm BST

For whom does Tom Wright speak? Jonathan Wynne-Jones, who proposes that +Dunelm is "highly respected [questionable] and a close friend of the Archbishop of Canterbury" seems to imply that the good Bishop of Durham represents the "official" C of E line. But N.T. Wright has been extraordinarily - and indeed suspiciously - promiscuous in his media appearances over the last few months. Had he not managed to ram his foot with such unerring accuracy right into his flapping episcopal gob on this occasion, I would suggest that this looks, on the surface, like pretty transparent attempt to torpedo the efforts of his "close friend" ++Cantuar. Is Tom Wright perhaps attempting to stir the pot a little? My suspicion is that Bishop Tom best represents the interests and opinions of Bishop Tom.

Posted by: MRG on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 8:39pm BST

I guess the unintentional truth to be found in +Tom's Iraq analogy, is the obvious bit he left out... that a flawed invasion and occupation lead to the rise of a fundametialist dominated insurgency intent on creating an authoritarian theocracy as created in their image!

Posted by: Wierdfish on Sunday, 20 July 2008 at 10:22pm BST

Katie,

Thanks.

'Maybe if he spent more time in his diocese and less time jetting here and there he'd be a bit more considered about what he says to the media...'

That's the point EVERYBODY agrees on.

Hope we meet sometime. I'm at St Margaret's (which, of course, he's never visited).

Posted by: john on Monday, 21 July 2008 at 9:17am BST

N T Wright reminds me of Corporal Jones in Dad's Army, shouting "Don't panic" when the only person panicking is him.

He's a person of intelligence and learning, but absolutely no judgment and a fatal smidgeon of arrogance which has been increasingly to the fore lately.

But this casual anti-American racism is really particularly unpleasant.

Posted by: badman on Monday, 21 July 2008 at 10:19am BST

Bishop Wright's remarks are out of date, as if he is recycling last year's expostulations. Even his sophomoric way of referring to the Iraq War savors of hasty newspaper scanners in 2003-4. He should tune in a bit more to what seems to be going on at the Lambeth event right now. A bit of silence would be good for him.

Posted by: Spirit of Vatican II on Monday, 21 July 2008 at 1:36pm BST

There was a time when Durham Diocese got positive and lively publicity under Bp David Jenkins.
Alas, it's now a laughing stock.

Posted by: FrDavid on Monday, 21 July 2008 at 3:53pm BST

Um - I believe that Mr. Naughton's piece on Bishop Wright was satire...

I am no Wright fan, but I don't believe he said the things attributed to him. Go back and reread the article.

Posted by: Mr. Arabin on Monday, 21 July 2008 at 4:06pm BST

Let's seen, now...

Lambeth 1978 called for "deep and dispassionate study of the question (sic) of homosexuality, which would take seriously both the teaching of Scripture and the results of scientific and medical research."

Lambeth 1988 called for further study, "such study ... to take account of biological, genetic and psychological research being undertaken by other agencies, and the socio-cultural factors that lead to different attitudes in the provinces of our Communion."

Lambeth 1998 called for listening and for sharing of resources with respect to previous studies of homosexuality.

Now, thirty years after the beginning of repeated calls for study by Lambeth, I wonder if the Bishop of Durham might explain to us whether these requests from Lambeth were:

1) genuine requests for serious study;
2) a purely academic interest with no forseeable practical application;
3) a delaying tactic (until when or what conditions?);
4) a sham intended to fool gay and lesbians into thinking the Anglican Communion had the remotest interest in them, even if only as laboratory rats?

If (1), then perhaps his Lordship could explain why he is so surprised that some who have undertaken the study in good faith, and come to certain conclusions, have begun openly to act on those conclusions (whilst some act on them, but not openly, not to mention any Province by name in England)? And what precisely we should do when other Provinces whose study process stopped at Leviticus 18:22 are unable to grasp, let alone share, those conclusions?

Posted by: Nom de Plume on Monday, 21 July 2008 at 4:44pm BST
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