Sunday, 3 May 2009

Abp Jensen in Ireland

The Archbishop of Sydney has recently been in Ireland. The Church of Ireland Gazette has full coverage:

Archbishop of Sydney in rallying call to Church of Ireland evangelicals

and also has an editorial, ANGLICAN CHURCH IN NORTH AMERICA.

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Church in Ireland, welcome to my world. GAFCON/FOCA are busy sowing schism in your parishes also. Note +Jensen's call to laity to take the lead, bringing their bishops with them if they can. Uncooperative bishops will be repudiated; if their evangelical parishes don't get on with them, they'll simply pick a bishop more to their liking.

Memo to Establishment: If you could have a do-over of the last ten years, would you still have encouraged the American schismatics, knowing that they would eventually bring their schism to your shores? Or is your dislike of openly gay men, or women, or Americans, so great that this is an acceptable alternative?

Posted by: Charlotte on Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 1:03pm BST

"it is important to recognise that the Anglican Church in North America initiative, while outside the normal process for creating a new Province, is an attempt to bring together Anglicans who have been splitting off from the established Anglican Churches in the US and Canada, mainly as a result of fundamental differences over the human sexuality issue. ...rather than rejecting the move as irregular and as creating an unwanted parallel jurisdiction within the US and Canada ... an accommodation should be sought with the new Anglican Church in North America that would enable it to be part of the Anglican fellowship."

Hmmm... where to begin?

First, only some of the schismatics involved in the ACNA project have split from the Anglican Communion because of disagreement about human sexuality. Other split long ago over issues of the ordination of women, liturgical reform, and "ritualism." So, to characterize these dissidents as being motived "mainly as a result of fundamental differences over the human sexuality issue" is oversimplistic.

Second, if the CofI Gazette truly beieves that the creation of a parallel jurisdiction in North America is benign and should be welcomed, what is its opinion on the inevitability of such a move in Ireland, and indeed ultimately in virtually every other Province? And when those Primates who now refuse to receive communion in the presence of those whom they consider the unwashed are joined by new ones who will do the same? Outrage will be compounded by outrage.

I would like to see the CofI Gazette comment on whether it supports a parallel jurisdiction in Ireland. For that is the inevitable outcome of accepting ACNA as part of the Anglican Communion.

Posted by: Nom de Plume on Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 2:52pm BST

Keep in mind that the CofI Gazette, like the CofE Newspaper, is not an official publication and does not reflect official policy. Both, despite their names, are advocacy publications.

Posted by: Charlotte on Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 5:49pm BST

Yes. The bodies calling themselves CANA and whatever else are busily engaged in trying to steal the property of TEC through the lawsuits THEY initiated. How would that fly in Ireland? Hmmm? Those schismatics are homophobic and anti-women thieves and liars through and through. I'd think the witty and clever Irish could see through their machinations. You might just go ahead and change the locks on your doors.

Posted by: Cynthia Gilliatt on Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 8:04pm BST

The Most Revd Peter Jensen, issued a rallying call to Church of Ireland evangelicals to be vigilant that no “official act which endorses sin” should take place in the Church of Ireland.

Comment....he conveniently forgets about the fact that both Sydney and the Church of Ireland re-marry divorced persons.

Again and again a blind eye to heterosexual sin.

Pleaase also note he preached in Scotland a call to arms and the minister who hosted him is now leading a petition in the Church of Scotland against the gay minister in Aberdeen.

His thneme was contending for the Faith and he spoke much about truth..but dids not mention the ACNA compromise with Anglo-catholicism.

Posted by: Robert Ian Williams on Sunday, 3 May 2009 at 9:39pm BST

"CofI Gazette, like the CofE Newspaper, is not an official publication and does not reflect official policy. Both, despite their names, are advocacy publications." Posted by Charlotte

Thanks, Charlotte. In light of the ludicrous assertions in the editorial, that was my hunch---but it's good to be reassured!

Posted by: JCF on Monday, 4 May 2009 at 4:12am BST

"..the Archbishop of Sydney, the Most Revd Peter Jensen, issued a rallying call to Church of Ireland evangelicals to be vigilant that no "official act which endorses sin" should take place in the Church of Ireland."
- Church of Ireland Gazette -

Let's all hope that the clergy and bishops of the Church of Ireland are not fooled by this Sydney prelate's invasion of their right to proclaim the Gospel as they see it in today's world. In his bid to coerce them into his own exclusivist agenda for the Church, Archbishop Jensen is seeking to enlarge the influence of the puritans of GAFCON and ACNA, who are intent on discipling the rest of the Communion to their own agenda - which is to rid the Church of the ministry of women and gays, his idea of the sort of ethnic cleansing ritual needed in order to fulfil what he sees as the retribution of an angry God.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Monday, 4 May 2009 at 12:05pm BST

Yes, Charlotte and NdP, I agree. A split off, virtual province or entity is coming to a church home near each of us, in the very near drafted new covenant future. On the other hand, all of this realignment nonsense so knee-deep in its own self-regard and convictions of pure orthodoxy, well it may just go the way of all New Puritan follies if enough time and space can be given so that it spits and trash talks and preaches without quite being able to get its hungry hands on real levers of real power to use against its fav targets.

Posted by: drdanfee on Monday, 4 May 2009 at 10:11pm BST

"Indeed, there is no doubt that those Anglicans who have formed the Anglican Church in North America are committed to the heritage of Christian faith and life as it has been transmitted in classical Anglicanism. Parallel jurisdiction may be an anomaly, but Anglicans are hardly strangers to anomalies." - C.I. Gazette -

'Committed to the heritage'? Maybe! But is it committed to the ongoing revelation of the Holy Spirit in the Church, Who just may be telling us that to be gay or a to be a woman is no barrier to the proclamation of the freedom of the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

Conservatism may sometimes (perhaps almost always) be a barrier to new revelation from God, which may be post-scriptural, but not against the spirit of Jesus' own proclamation of the primacy of Love over Law: "They will know you are my disciples by your love" - not by your personally proclaimed piety!

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 1:11am BST
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