Saturday, 5 December 2009

opinions before Copenhagen

In the Guardian Jonathan Chaplin writes about why public discourse should not be secularised. See Face to Faith.

In The Times Geoffrey Rowell writes that Church movements will always fall short of perfection.

Earlier in the week, Libby Purves wrote that Faith and power is the fundamentalist’s brew.

Alan Wilson wrote about Church new media futures….

Nick Baines wrote about (not) being a Grumpy bishop.

The Church Times has a useful article, Decided in Denmark: a climate Q and A. And also a Leader: Copenhagen: a tipping point.

And last week, Ann Petifor argued that UK needs more not less government.

Giles Fraser wrote at Cif belief about Choosing for oneself.

Posted by Simon Sarmiento on Saturday, 5 December 2009 at 8:24am GMT | TrackBack
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What Jonathan Chaplin ignores is that--in a secular society--the law (even if based on a religious belief) must have a secular rationale. Morality is not the same as religion. Atheists have a set of morals as well, they simply do not base them in a belief in a supreme being.

Making a secular, moral rationale for the law is not the same as making a faith-based rationale for it.

Posted by: Pat O'Neill on Saturday, 5 December 2009 at 12:01pm GMT

For once I disagree with Giles Fraser and agree with Richard Dawkins: children should be allowed to decide for themselves which, if any, faith, to follow. Baptism should be for adults only.

As for Copenhagen, it would be better if the talks failed, as James Hansen argues. The worse outcome would be an ineffective agreement with the bishops' blessing: the Church's approach at decision-making is a poor example and lends too much credence to the sceptics. The internationisation of the Anglican brand gives too much power to the airline industry. As Alan Wilson says "We have to work out for ourselves what to do". In other words: unilateral nuclear disarmanent and the develpoment of our own carbon-reduction schemes.

Libby Purves' brilliant exposition and her quote from Matthew could be added to with excerpts from Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 34 with their prophesies about shepherds who abandon their flocks.

Geoffrey Rowell's thought-provoking piece about the Creeds would have some credence, were it to have been rounded off by a rejection of the Nicene version as a Vatican corruption, not in line with sola scriptura.

As Nick Baines found, Advent is a grumpy season...

Posted by: Hugh of Lincoln on Saturday, 5 December 2009 at 1:00pm GMT

No-one doubts that children have to make up their own mind, the question is how you get them to the place where they can do that.

Deliberately not giving them a faith perspective is imparting your own value system as clearly as giving them a Christian, Muslim, Jewish or Pagan upbringing. In all cases, they can then wrestle with what they've been taught and either move on or grow into an adult faith/atheism.

Households where neither faith nor any life philosophy are ever mentioned tend to be quite soulless places and rarely bring forth children who later genuinely evaluate different belief systems to find one for themselves. Rather, kids then tend to be disinterested in any faith issues, completely ignorant of what faith and doctrine might be about and just casually dismissing "all that" without having a clue what they're talking about.

I'd rather have informed opposition to my views than the desperate carelessness and ignorance that are so prevalent.

Posted by: Erika Baker on Saturday, 5 December 2009 at 2:19pm GMT
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