A further release from the Church of Uganda has been received.
See here for the most recent statement. Also here for an earlier statement.
Now this:
Posted by Simon Sarmiento on Friday, 12 February 2010 at 4:08pm GMT | TrackBackFor Immediate Release
12th February 2010
Anglican Churches in America Not Part of Church of Uganda’s Position on Anti-Homosexuality Bill
The Church of Uganda does not have oversight of any Anglican churches in the United States. Member churches of the Anglican Church in North America that have been in partnership with the Church of Uganda in the past were not in any way involved in the Church of Uganda’s position on the Anti-Homosexuality Bill. They were not consulted, nor was their support enlisted. The Ugandan context is different from the American context and it is likely that our American friends will have a different position from that of the Church of Uganda.
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It would be good to hear that this also applies to Bishop Sandy Millar, who is jointly a bishop of the Church of Uganda and assistant "Bishop in Mission" in the Diocese of London.
Posted by: Matthew Duckett on Friday, 12 February 2010 at 4:49pm GMT"The Ugandan context is different from the American context and it is likely that our American friends will have a different position from that of the Church of Uganda."
What's this - moral relativism? I thought these folk were all about objective, immutable truth. Surely if God wants gays imprisoned in Uganda, he wants us imprisoned here, too.
Looks like they think they just dodged that awkward "We're Connected to an Oppressive Culture" bullet...
Posted by: Bill Dilworth (BillyD) on Friday, 12 February 2010 at 4:56pm GMTHow remarkable that "The Ugandan context is different from the American context and it is likely that our American friends will have a different position from that of the Church of Uganda" - at least when they want to protect their American compatriots from apparent responsibility for their anti-GLBT legislation. Somehow, it's not different enough to allow, as the Quadrilateral describes, developments in the "historic Episcopate, locally adapted." How remarkable....
Posted by: Marshall Scott on Friday, 12 February 2010 at 5:24pm GMTIn other words....
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!!!
Posted by: Doxy on Friday, 12 February 2010 at 5:41pm GMTFollow the money! It will reveal more about the concerted "involvement" of the cult breakaway ACNA's key players (self-appointed "archbishops"), in The Anglican Church of Uganda's bill. I would assume there is more than a little evidence to prove this current statement by officials of The Church of Uganda to be at least in part, untrue.
Posted by: Chris Smith on Friday, 12 February 2010 at 5:54pm GMTAnybody who knows the USA religious right will already be taking this ACNA distancing from Uganda death legislation - with a healthy-sized rock of salty salt. The entire historical and social context of the ACNA movement contradicts their claims that they never thought or preached, let alone urged upon Ugandans for God's sake, such antigay legislation.
But the IRD schemes, with which ACNA pretty much utterly conforms and has conformed - were clear that animosities towards queer folks must be drummed up, stirred up, and exploited in order to (A) dress up IRD campaigning in holier than thou robes of exquisitely antigay attire, plus (B)push the customary legacies of dirt and danger to great lengths in order to move the mixed religious middles?
This new effort at distance and a return to the safety of big tent democratic society - just previously attacked with every weaponized doctrine that could be taken up in a debate - reminds me of those college debates where all sorts of horrible things are advanced by the antigay side, who then want the rest of us to suddenly go all mild and have dinner with them afterwards - as if the nastiness and implicit call for violence was all business as usual, and just nasty but empty talk, apparently.
ACNA never, ever met a committed-partnered-parenting gay couple whom they did not wish silenced, rendered marginal-invisible, deprived of regular citizen-believer powers otherwise readily available to straights, and oooops, ACNA feels sorry we might hurt that couples' kids, right in the middle of our holy process?
Posted by: drdanfee on Friday, 12 February 2010 at 7:22pm GMT"...the American context is different from the Ugandan context..."
So it's OK to demonize gays if you are in Uganda, but maybe not so much in America? How comforting. Are some of those Americans getting a little squeamish about "the Ugandan context?" Are they beginning to wonder about who they have sided with? Hmmm.
Posted by: Cynthia Gilliatt on Friday, 12 February 2010 at 8:03pm GMTImagine being so cruel and backward that even the Duncanites don't want to be associated with you!
Posted by: JPM on Friday, 12 February 2010 at 8:26pm GMT""...the American context is different from the Ugandan context..." - A.C.of Uganda Statement -
So now we are into the area of contextual theology. If only the anti-gay, anti-women crowd had thought about this earlier, there may never have been the spate of border-crossing and intentional schism of the likes of ACNA's minders in Uganda, Rwanda, Nigeria, Southern Cone and any other piratical Provinces of the Communion.
I suspect that Archbishop Orombi has been alerted to the problems for ACNA of being associated with the current spate of bigotry and discrimination which has tainted the Anglican Communion over the last few years. However, the message came too late to ensure ACNA's acceptance in the Anglican Family of Churches. Expect more fork-tongued speeches over the continuing criminalization of the LGBT community in Ugandas and elsewhere.
Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Friday, 12 February 2010 at 9:39pm GMT"The Ugandan context is different from the American context...and ergo, it's fine if (U.S. of) American Episcopalians have a different standard for bishops than we have."
Oh, wait: apparently that last part of the communique didn't come through.
Posted by: JCF on Friday, 12 February 2010 at 11:16pm GMTPleased that Matthew has drawn attention to Sandy Millar. As a former incumbent in the Diocese of London I remain puzzled about the how and why of Sandy's elevation to the episcopate- though he has proved useful as an ordaining bishop for young turks who were not prepared to have hands laid on them by other bishops of the diocese who would not submit to their stringent theological checklist. I would have thought he was in an excellent position to influence his great friend Abp Orombi and help him understand why Anglican support of the Ugandan Bill is so repugnant.
Posted by: Perry Butler on Saturday, 13 February 2010 at 9:44am GMTI was thinking what united the Americans and our African bishops are their common hatred for LGBT people. How come ""...the American context is different from the Ugandan context? Lord have mercy