Wednesday, 21 April 2010

A different view of the Global South

Jonathan Wynne-Jones has posted on his Telegraph blog: Is Archbishop Akinola in a civil partnership?

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So - folks - it's all over.

Archbishop Kolini confirmed that The Global South are now out of communion with Rowan and with the CoE. The FCA UK are now "called out" of the CoE with which they are no longer in communion.

The Global South are establishing a formal Primates' council, and a three-year General Assembly (following GAFCON). Nazir-Ali has been approached to represent the "remnant" Anglicans on the Primates council - it's not yet sure if he has agreed or not.

So, it's official: it's really all over bar the lawsuits.

Posted by: James Noble on Wednesday, 21 April 2010 at 6:43pm BST

This is truly absurd.

Posted by: Robert on Wednesday, 21 April 2010 at 8:50pm BST

If this picture were published in certain parts of the Global South, w/o attribution (or worse, w/ incorrect attribution), it's not difficult to imagine a violent mob descending upon these two men, before they could explain a thing!

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind, Archbishops...

Posted by: JCF on Wednesday, 21 April 2010 at 10:42pm BST

I will assume Mr. Wynne-Jones' observation is an attempt at wry humour gone rather awry. While sometimes guilty of shameful homophobia, the "global south" might have a healthier attitude on this topic than societies that read into cordial, affectionate physical contact between male friends putative evidence of homosexuality.

Posted by: William on Wednesday, 21 April 2010 at 11:06pm BST

"Should we be sending congratulations to the happy couple? No, of course the Nigerian Archbishop and leading voice of the Anglican Communion's anti-gay brigade is no more than just good friends with John Chew, the Primate of South East Asia."

- Jonathan Wynne-Jones, The Telegraph -

Touch'e, Jonathan, but this is merely a light touch'e surely, on the part of these two holy men? There is absolutely nothing sexual about this touching. However, hands on knees, when other people of the same gender are involved could be considered quite suggestive. And I would suggest that neither of these two homophobes practise this openly in their own Courts of Synod.

It doesn't really matter though in Singapore, especially anywhere near the famous Bugis Street, corner, where the whole spectrum of sexuality has been known to prevail.

However, the relationship of these two men, may perhaps be termed a temporary 'Marriage of Convenience', which suits both parties just now.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 12:04am BST

It is not even a recent photo. This photo was circulated around Anglican blogs at least a year or more ago.

Good-bye Global South. Do not let the screen door hit you where the good Lord split you.

We will leave the light on.

Posted by: David | Dah•veed | on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 12:16am BST

"Archbishop Kolini said he was never happy at any of the last 12 years of primatial gatherings he has attended. Here it is the opposite. Everyone is upbeat, cheerful and at peace. The archbishops and bishops are smiling; they are not fighting liberal and revisionist archbishops and bishops who have a different religion. Only God knows what they really believe, but whatever truncated Christianity they have, you won't find it here.

God's mission now is in the 11th hour of the Global South, said Archbishop Orombi in prepared remarks read by his stand in, Ugandan Bishop Stephen Kaziimba. Orombi was stranded in London by the Icelandic volcano eruption.

There is no tension here. There is joy and peace. No one is being asked to reconcile the irreconcilable. This is Anglicanism at its finest"

David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org

These snippets from David Virtue's rather slanted view of the 'Global South Encounter', Singapore version, give us some idea of what is actually going on there. - Lots of mutual preening; Self-congratulation of the self-righteous, but little of any real substance. The pungent air of hatred of gays might seem to have been mitigated by the cosy 'hands on knee' gesture of Akinola and Chew. However, make no mistake, TEC and the A.C.of C. (Virtue's only rewarding sodality as far as vitriolic reporting is concerned) are definitely 'on the outer' - except for the presence of Bishop John Howe, whose presence there is somewhat puzzling for all concerned. Not so Bishop Lawrence, whose loyalty to TEC is questionable, to say the least. All in all, a hate-fest, rather than a 'love-in'. Serious theology ???

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 12:55am BST

If the Global South group is "out of Communion" with the C of E this is a very good thing. The more distance they can place between themselves and the inclusive Christians in the Anglican Communion who embrace all of God's children, the better! The hatred and intolerance that is coming from the archbishops of the Global South points to a group of narrow minded and bitter men who have not confronted their homophobia and misogyny. I do not believe you can be a disciple of Christ and have such hatred for your sisters and brothers in Christ. It is better that they go their own dark way. There is little light or love where such hatred exists.

Posted by: Chris Smith on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 3:35am BST

Jonathan Wynne-Jones is clearly a thirteen year old boy who needs his computer access withdrawn for a couple of days

Posted by: Raspberry Rabbit on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 7:02am BST

What true Anglican/Episcopalian really cares anymore, ...I certainly don't. The GLOBAL SOUTH DRAMA is like "Dallas" running for 20 years ... sad and sorry!!

Posted by: David G on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 9:35am BST

Raspberry Rabbit, Personally, I'd rather have the humour of Jonathan Wynne-Jones than the vitriol of Mr Virtue - at least it has some merit, bringing cheer rather than the despair of the Global South.
Mind you, there are a few comedians on that trip too

Seriously though, Bunny, you have to have a laugh at these clowns, otherwise you'd take them seriously.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 9:45am BST

Mr Virtue's vitriol has it's moments, Fr Ron - http://www.standfirminfaith.com/?/sf/page/25955.

Posted by: Lapinbizarre on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 11:42am BST

Dear Friends, I have just listened to 2 different video clips of talks give by the Primates of The Middle East, and Singapore. Of the two, Abp. John Chew's was strangely moving. He urged his G.S.E. confreres to listen to the message of Isaiah - in the Suffering Servant passages, and to reflect on the fact that, throughout the history of Israel, his people were prone to 'do their own thing', rather than listen to what the God of the Covenant was asking of them. In the end, of course, Israel failed the challenge to keep Covenant, and God sent His Servant Jesus to restore the Covenant relationship based on a different premise.

Listening to Abp. John Chew's message, I found a willingness to admit that none of us in isolation is privy to the will and purpose of God, and that the need of humility in servant-hood (modelled by
God's Servant) is the only way through our present dilemmas in the Church. I was strangely moved. I think the Archbishop has something to say to all of us that needs to be heard.

I saw hope for the Gospel of God's radical love and forgiveness to be taken seriously - by those of the Global South, as well as the rest of us.
I took from the message that none of us can afford to stand in judgement over another. Deo gratias!

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 12:19pm BST

Jeez, Ron, I didn't know I had to choose.

Posted by: Raspberry Rabbit on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 2:39pm BST

Friends: Have I missed something? I can not find anywhere a definitive statement that the Global South has broken with the C of E, nor the ABC, nor has withdrawn parishes from it. As for the former Bishop of Rochester, I find no mention of any future role for him in anything.
Being a retired priest I have time to keep a pretty close monitoring of Anglicana. If any of the above can be corroborated, I'd love to see it, because I wish it were true !
Pax, Bob McCloskey

Posted by: Bob McCloskey on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 3:37pm BST

As we discuss the Global South meeting, let us remember in prayer those christians in their provinces and diocese who long for and pray for an inclusive church. They are living sadly without the welcome and love of fellow christians. We must send them our love and assurance of prayers for them and their church.

Fr John (SCOTLAND)

Posted by: Fr John on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 4:27pm BST

@James Noble: What press report is the basis for asserting that: "So - folks - it's all over. Archbishop Kolini confirmed that The Global South are now out of communion with Rowan and with the CoE. The FCA UK are now "called out" of the CoE with which they are no longer in communion. The Global South are establishing a formal Primates' council, and a three-year General Assembly (following GAFCON). Nazir-Ali has been approached to represent the "remnant" Anglicans on the Primates council - it's not yet sure if he has agreed or not. So, it's official: it's really all over bar the lawsuits."

On the other hand, we have this report from Singapore:

"Couple that with the fact that the Global South bishops and archbishops are not creating anything new. Abp. Mouneer Anis reiterated this morning that the Global South has a structure that includes a Primate’s Standing Committee and an administrative team, newly elected at this Encounter. President: Abp. John Chew of Singapore; Vice President Abp. Henry Orombi, Uganda, (who is still stranded in London); Secretary Abp. Mouneer Anis of Egypt/Middle East; Treasurer Abp. Nicholas Okoh, Nigeria; at large Abp. Stephen Than Myint Oo, Myanmar and Bishop Albert Chama, Central Africa. The Global South has a structure for their own development only. They are not leaving the Anglican Communion and they are not forming their own communion."

http://www.anglicansunited.com/?p=6979

Honestly, James, I prefer your version (or prophecy?), but it does not yet seem to have come to pass.

Posted by: David da Silva Cornell on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 4:34pm BST

I always enjoy the posts of Fr. Ron Smith (no relation) because no matter how dark things seems he sees the love and light of Christ as a way out of the darkness. Although I am not an Anglican, (I am a Vatican II Catholic), Ron Smith reminds me of a great Catholic voice who many of us wish would have been elected Bishop of Rome, and that is Hans Kung. I think Fr. Ron Smith and Fr. Hans Kung have a similar understanding of what it means to be a disciple of Jesus, especially in the area of judging each other. Well said, Fr. Smith.

Posted by: Chris Smith on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 5:35pm BST

Where is this coming from? I read 10 mins ago on Anglicans Online that "The Global South has a structure for their own development only. They are not leaving the Anglican Communion and they are not forming their own communion."


earlier comment: "Archbishop Kolini confirmed that The Global South are now out of communion with Rowan and with the CoE. The FCA UK are now "called out" of the CoE with which they are no longer in communion."

Posted by: Josh L on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 6:16pm BST

Thanks Lapinbizarre for pointing to http://www.standfirminfaith.com/?/sf/page/25955
I hope that link wasn't lost on other readers here.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend approach of the anti-gay group cannot hold together even in courteous conversation it would appear.

Posted by: Anselm on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 10:37pm BST

"There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for profanity at any time for any reason on any blog, and so, David, if you happen to read my posting here, let this be a warning: If it continues, I will cease commenting on your blog….and as you know, I’m a longtime blogger.
-[18] Posted by Grandmother on 'Stand Firm' -

Thank you, Lapinbizare, for giving us access to this item on the Stand Firm web-site. It only goes to show that Virtue-on-line is an oxymoron, and that Mr. Virtue's site is neither to be trusted nor free from obscenities - expressed on this occasion towards his own affiliates in the Global South confraternity.

Congratulations to Greg, of Stand Firm, for his honesty in posting Virtue's obscene remarks, no doubt this will cleanse the conservative right of one of its most vitriolic communications tools. Comments on Virtue's behaviour are worth reading!

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Thursday, 22 April 2010 at 11:42pm BST

They seem genuinely stunned to learn that David Virtue is mean.

Posted by: JPM on Friday, 23 April 2010 at 12:49am BST

"The Global South has a structure for their own development only. They are not leaving the Anglican Communion and they are not forming their own communion."

So they say. Keep in mind, though, that they are big, fat liars.

Posted by: Bill Dilworth on Friday, 23 April 2010 at 12:58pm BST

I just want to thank Father Ron Smith for his comment on humility and servanthood.

Posted by: Susannah Clark on Friday, 23 April 2010 at 1:52pm BST

More from ex-Baptist David Virtue @ virtueonline:

"Archbishop Robert Duncan, who attended the meeting on behalf of the Anglican Church in North America, was grateful for the result and commended the communiqué to the people of the Anglican Church in North America. "We are moving forward in mission and relationship with Anglicans all over the world. Our unity and shared commitment to the work of sharing the good news of Jesus Christ is a reason for great joy," said Archbishop Duncan."

ACNA is obviously expecting a great crusade to be taking place in North America and Canada - in the wake of the Global south Conference in Singapore.
However, he is forgetting the fact that TEC is already the official face of Anglicanism in the US and that there is already the Anglican Church of Canada proclaiming the Gospel in that country.

This self-proclaimed 'Archbishop' of a breakaway church - not officially recognized as a member of the world-wide Anglican Communion - will have his work cut out to undermine the sterling work of our ongoing Communion Partners in the USA and Canada. Even under the sponsorship of the Global South fraternity, ACNA will find it difficult to make its own way in the context of the traditionally inclusive Anglican ethos. He could still repent.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Saturday, 24 April 2010 at 2:51am BST
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