Saturday, 2 October 2010

2011 Anglican Primates Meeting - but who is going?

The ACO has announced 2011 Anglican Communion Primates’ Meeting to be held in Ireland, and there is a similar press release from Dublin.

The next Primates’ Meeting of the Anglican Communion will be held in Ireland between the 25th and 31st January, 2011.

Senior bishops from Churches across the Communion will be invited by the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams to attend the meeting taking place at the Emmaus Retreat & Conference Centre in Dublin, Ireland…

Writing in the Church of England Newspaper George Conger reports:

US Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori stated on Sept 21 that she had received notice of the meeting, and was planning on attending. The primates of the Global South coalition will meet next month and are expected to take up the issue of whether they will attend the gathering.

Other reports have appeared suggesting that several primates may not attend.

ACNA bishop David Anderson, who serves as a suffragan bishop within CANA as well as President and CEO of the American Anglican Council, has expressed his opinions what should happen:

Dr. Williams is being advised that numerous provinces won’t attend the Primates Meeting if Jefferts Schori attends. Having booked the venue, he might as well have the meeting since he is committed to paying for it, but without the orthodox Primates in attendance it could be a dangerous meeting, giving opinion and credence to teachings and beliefs that are not representative of orthodox Anglicanism.

If asked my opinion, I would strongly advise the orthodox Primates to 1) organize before the Primates’ meeting, and 2) attend and remove by force of numbers the Presiding Bishop of the American Episcopal Church (not physically, but by either voting her off the “island,” or recessing to another room and not letting her in). The meeting is a place to gather and potentially to settle some of the issues that are pulling the Anglican Communion apart, and to begin to restore health to a most wonderful communion.

In the above case, if Dr. Williams did not go along with Jefferts Schori’s exclusion, then I would suggest having the next-door-meeting without him. I just don’t believe staying home from the field of battle helps win a war over the truth and nature of Christianity within Anglicanism. The Christian Church needs a spiritually strong and muscular Anglicanism to re-evangelize the West; are we willing to make the sacrifices in order for this to happen?

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Whatever happened to "What touches all?" If the minority presence is to be "voted off the island" then we no longer have anything approaching a comprehensive communion, but something more like _Lord of the Flies_. Thanks for that image, David Anderson. If the Global South cannot even bear the presence of those with whom they disagree, then perhaps it is time for them to walk apart, from the other Primates, from Rowan, and from the Anglican Communion.

Posted by: Tobias Haller on Saturday, 2 October 2010 at 11:03pm BST

How the heck does David Anderson, who by definition is a schismatic and who apparently defines "orthodox" as "no gay cooties," presume to offer advice to any of the Primates of the Anglican Communion, least of all to the Archbishop of Canterbury?

Posted by: Bill Moorhead on Saturday, 2 October 2010 at 11:15pm BST

I wonder how Pastor Niemøller would have reacted to Mr. Anderson's poisonous hate-filled advice to those beacons of anti-humanity who call themselves the Global South.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.

Posted by: Jerry Hannon on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 12:00am BST

"... voting her off the 'island'" Is he SERIOUS??!!! Dear God - what a childish and insipid thing to say. Bishop Anderson seems to have adopted an Orthodox Gospel according to Survivor - who needs Jesus...

I can't really imagine that Jesus would vote anyone off the "island" and to propose doing so in Jesus' name is just beyond Pale (which is ironic given that the meeting is in Dublin after all).

It would be nice to think that the folks who are working to break the Anglican Communion were at least high minded, but Bishop Anderson has identified his level of thought as roughly parallel to a rather vile TV program appealing to the base instincts of the lowest common denominator.

Posted by: Scott on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 12:55am BST

If you decide to exclude yourself from any democratic exercise, you can't really complain about the resulting outcome. I think their ultimate complaint is that a democratic group could even conceive of disagreeing with them. It is a fundamentally anti-democratic attitude.

Posted by: ruidh on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 1:32am BST

Oh, it is so tiring.... It is this sort of nonsense which makes me want to quit the church and never hear of it again - in spite of all the very real good our Episcopal church in Seattle does. Do these pure souls ever stop to think that they are driving thinking people and very many who have need to if it, about as far away from the church and Christianity as is possible?

Posted by: Nat on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 2:50am BST

Do they need to meet so often? The expense and energy expended on what turn out to be ridiculous circuses seem excessive.

Posted by: Spirit of Vatican II on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 3:02am BST

Why should anyone pay any attention to this schismatic cleric? Pshaw! But I suppose the ABC, from the depths of Lambeth, will issue some kind of response. Why not just ignore him? He has no status or standing in the Anglican Communion. I feel sorry for someone so fearful of gay cooties - where will he ever be safe?

Posted by: Cynthia Gilliatt on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 3:28am BST

I used to go to a parish where they talked like this.
It sounds like the Diocese under Duncan. This is the same tactic they use on the parish level. Push everyone with a different opinion out. I don't call that Christianity.

Posted by: bobinswpa on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 3:50am BST

Let the GS primates stay away if that is there choice. Preferable to have them present, but if they insist on playing these games, then so be it. Don't hurt yourselves as you slam the door.

"Les absents ont toujours tort."

Posted by: Nom de Plume on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 4:16am BST

But why are they worried about Bishop Schori? They've already inoculated Rowan against the more sensible path. Does he come over all dangerous and reasonable after five minutes with the Presiding Bishop?

Clearly the ACNA potion isn't as strong as they thought, if the antidote has to be resisted like this.

Posted by: kieran crichton on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 7:14am BST

"I would strongly advise the orthodox Primates to 1) organize before the Primates’ meeting, and 2) attend and remove by force of numbers the Presiding Bishop of the American Episcopal Church (not physically, but by either voting her off the “island,” or recessing to another room and not letting her in)."

Un-freaking-believable.

Oh, wait: this is David "Funded by Kill-the-Gays Ahmanson" Anderson speaking. It's TOTALLY believable!

Lord have mercy.

Posted by: JCF on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 7:54am BST


"I would strongly advise the orthodox Primates to 1) organize before the Primates’ meeting, and 2) attend and remove by force of numbers the Presiding Bishop of the American Episcopal Church (not physically, but by either voting her off the “island,” or recessing to another room and not letting her in)."

How long will the Americans hold captives of the GS Primates and Bishops? Unbelievable David Anderson is a Bishop.

Posted by: Davis Mac-Iyalla on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 8:25am BST

David Anderson: "The Christian Church needs a spiritually strong and muscular Anglicanism to re-evangelize the West;"

Can't you just see him breathlessly touching the biceps? O muscular Anglicanism! O muscular homophobia!

Posted by: karen macqueen+ on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 9:02am BST

"if Dr. Williams did not go along with Jefferts Schori’s exclusion, then I would suggest having the next-door-meeting without him. I just don’t believe staying home from the field of battle helps win a war over the truth and nature of Christianity within Anglicanism."

- ACNA faux-bishop David Anderson -

Spoken like a true schismatic!

If Bp Anderson wants a dodgy replica of the Anglican Communion to be raised up by his confederate members of ACNA and the Global South confraternity, than he must encourage his mates (for invariably they will be 'mates') to get their own show going. It will not be Anglicanism as originally envisaged by its Church of England forbears, nor will it truly represent the spirit of 'semper reformanda' predicated by theological coherence with the world of today - but it will suit, admirably, the fundamentalist ambitions of the re-asserters. Go ahead, Bp Anderson, and just see who will follow. Perhaps Mr David Virtue, of virtueonline, will be able to help you with the publicity.

However, you'd better meet in a climate different from that of the truly Anglican Primates, far away from the majority of those whose inclusivity is more in keeping with the spirit of the Gospel of OLJC.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 9:40am BST

What I find extraordinary is the way these conservative Primates seem to treat their Provinces as personal fiefdoms. The Church of England is episcopally led but synodically governed. It is not up to the Primate who his Church is in communion with and presumably if he absented himself from an important meeting for "political" reasons questions would be asked and he would be held to account.No doubt some conservative provinces are as one in their opposition to TEC ( Nigeria/ Uganda/Kenya) but some of these Primates of small provinces might find trouble at home. I get the impression not everyone in the Southern Cone is happy at Bishop Venables self promotion as a mover and shaker in conservative circles and I dont believe the Bishop of Cyprus and the Gulf shares Bishop Anis's views.

Posted by: Perry Butler on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 9:52am BST

Spoken like a "man"

Posted by: Susannah Clark on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 12:37pm BST

"either voting her off the “island,” or recessing to another room and not letting her in)."

LOL! You can't make this up, can you? Like a sign on a clubhouse door: "NO GURLS!"

Posted by: Cynthia Gilliatt on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 1:32pm BST

I do not care who goes. In fact, I think that the primates have done so much mischief, I think they should desist from meeting-- such a waste of time and money - ours. Their meetings are unnecesary innovations, if treated as more than efforts at collaboration and intercourse.

If they could have listened to the PB of TEC in humility they might have got some-where.

The Anglican Communion came into being accidentally,a pretty informal, ad=hoc fellowship of national churches, and is now slipping away.

Let it rest in peace.

Posted by: Laurence Roberts on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 3:26pm BST

It sounds like the stress is getting to Bp. Anderson.

Posted by: JPM on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 3:49pm BST

Laurie is quite correct. The Primates managed to make a monumental hash of a difficult situation, mind you, they did have a deal of willing helpers.

But, if there are now going to be two, or more networks then perhaps these need to be identified in Dublin (or at least start to identify). I suppose the question is how those networks relate to Canterbury.

Put at most basic - if they do go off into another room will Rowan end up presiding at that meeting too?

Posted by: Martin Reynolds on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 7:58pm BST

>>>Put at most basic - if they do go off into another room will Rowan end up presiding at that meeting too?

This calls to mind the remark attributed to Peter Akinola: "Rowan will do what we tell him to do."

So far, Akinola is right on that one.

Posted by: JPM on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 10:23pm BST

Le salon des refusants.

Posted by: Tobias Haller on Sunday, 3 October 2010 at 10:35pm BST

I read Anderson's piece as a sign of fear. He is worried that GAFCON primates won't go; and that progress will be made without them.

As for his own suggestion, it is beyond parody. The fact that he has to explain that he does not mean that his allies should "attend and remove by force of numbers the Presiding Bishop of the American Episcopal Church" PHYSICALLY suggests how much on the wrong foot he sets off. But to continue as if the Primates Meeting is a TV gameshow ("voting her off the “island,”") and to have a fallback position which gets so clumsily on the wrong side of Matthew 22:1-10 makes you wonder how this man ever became a bishop.

Posted by: badman on Monday, 4 October 2010 at 11:54am BST

Why should David Anderson be so vocal? Here are some possible reasons: 1. The strategy of Dromantine and Dar-es-Salaam was to micro-manage the primates meetings from locales down the street or 2nd floor shuttle diplomacy. Minns (AAC Virginia) and Anderson were both present at these meetings and active. 2. Anderson, in his fund-raising letters has promised his supporters that the AAC will attend as many as possible of these meetings to offer support (i.e lobby) 3. David Anderson, according to the last available tax return of the AAC, 2008, earned $101,356 for a 30 hour/week job. See http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2008/752/668/2008-752668339-058b60a3-Z.pdf

Since Dar-es-Salaam and Dromantine, efforts have been made to limit the primates' meeting to primates and to inhibit if not prevent lobbying. It would appear that the "advice" to the primates to set up an alternative locale offers two positives: It appeals to the GS core which does not like Jefferts Schori and, from an AAC perspective, sets up a renewed platform for its lobbying. The AAC's fundraising trend is down. Its revenues in 2004 were 1,701,170 USD to 965,453 USD in 2008. A lobby is all about access. Without it an organization loses credibility.

Posted by: TBL on Monday, 4 October 2010 at 12:55pm BST

>David Anderson, according to the last available tax return of the AAC, 2008, earned $101,356 for a 30 hour/week job.

All that and a pointy hat too!

Nice work if you can get it.

Posted by: JPM on Monday, 4 October 2010 at 9:43pm BST

Pity the sources of AAC's income are not listed on the tax return.

Posted by: Lapinbizarre on Tuesday, 5 October 2010 at 1:29am BST

"Nice work if you can get it."

But what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain $101,356.00 and a pointy hat, and lose his own soul?

Posted by: Malcolm+ on Tuesday, 5 October 2010 at 6:01am BST

"But what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain $101,356.00 and a pointy hat, and lose his own soul?"

$101,356.00, that's what!

I consider the pointy hat to be more of a penance for taking the position than a benefit. Nobody looks good in those things.

Posted by: MarkBrunson on Tuesday, 5 October 2010 at 9:47am BST

I agree with Martin reynolds above. The policy of trying to keep everyone at the table is more or less played out. At some point provinces will have to make explicit whether they are in communion with Canterbury or not.

Posted by: Perry Butler on Wednesday, 6 October 2010 at 5:55pm BST

i am with Laurence Roberts on this.

Posted by: Göran Koch-Swahne on Thursday, 7 October 2010 at 12:30pm BST

Martin Reynolds and Perry Butler have both given what might prove to be the only way through the current dilemma:
1. a trimmed-down Anglican Communion (minus the absentee G.S. Provinces), and:
2. a newly-spawned Global South Biblical Congregation of Churches, headquartered in Uganda.

This would leave the Anglican Communion committed to the proclamation of the Gospel of O.L.J.C.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Saturday, 9 October 2010 at 1:09am BST
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