Friday, 19 November 2010

update on Primates Meeting

Last week, I linked to a news article by George Conger that appeared in the Church of England Newspaper.

This week, both the Church of England Newspaper and the Church Times have further reports on the matter.

In the former, George Conger’s story is headlined No plans to cancel Dublin Primates’ Meeting, ACC says.

There are no plans to cancel the Dublin primates meeting, ACC secretary general Canon Kenneth Kearon has declared.

In a statement released via Twitter on Nov 11 in response to a story last week in the Church of England Newspaper about the Jan 25-31 meeting, ACC spokesman Jan Butter wrote: “Am afraid this story is not accurate. Communion Sec. Gen. Canon Kearon adamant: never any plans to cancel Primates’ Mtg.”

…The report in the CEN, however, did not claim the archbishop’s Oct 7 letter called for the cancellation of the primates meeting.

In response to a request for clarification, the spokesman for the ACC stated there had been a “slip of the pen”’ in the Twitter message in saying there were never any plans to “cancel” the meeting. “The point I was trying to get across was that there have never been any plans to suspend the upcoming Primates’ Meeting in Dublin next January,” Mr. Butter wrote.

However, behind the scenes conversations between Dr. Williams and the primates remain on-going, CEN has been told. While reservations and supplies have been laid on by the ACC staff for the 38 primates and the Archbishop of York to meet at the Emmaus Conference Centre outside of Dublin, it is not clear how many primates will attend the gathering…

The Church Times news report on this is only available to paid subscribers until next week, but the story does quote Canon Kearon as saying there is:

“a suggestion that this be a different kind of Primates’ Meeting, driven by the need for discernment and di­alogue around issues affecting the life of the Communion”.

“The proposal is that it begins with a number of different conversations taking place simultan­eously at first. This is to provide a safe space where dialogue can begin and progress together in a spirit of discernment.”

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Is this a Primates' Meeting? Or is it a Israeli-Palestinian peace conference?

As I said on November 12:

'So now Kearon tries to walk this back. . . .

'And of course, how are we to read the tweet?

'One can decide not to "cancel a meeting," but instead hold it in several different places at the same time.

'So if the issue is whether this Primates' Meeting will happen in one place or in several places, the tweet doesn't really settle that question, does it?

'What a bunch of incompetents at Lambeth Palace. Sure they've been dealt a bad hand, but they continue to play it disastrously.'

A week later, the continuing disaster is that Lambeth Palace continues to allow itself to be bullied. In my experience, bullies are called to heel not by a show of weakness, but by a show of strength.

Lambeth should call the meeting without preconditions. And make very clear that it will publicize the list of who shows up, and who doesn't.

Then we will all know exactly who is unwilling to be in communion with whom.

Posted by: Jeremy on Friday, 19 November 2010 at 12:16pm GMT

"Lambeth should call the meeting without preconditions. And make very clear that it will publicize the list of who shows up, and who doesn't."

"Then we will all know exactly who is unwilling to be in communion with whom."

But that's way too sensible, and way too transparent! The pouters would have to show up or shut up, and shutting up is not something they are good at.

What they are planning sounds more and more like The Lobster's Quadrille than a meeting of church leaders.

Posted by: Cynthia Gilliatt on Friday, 19 November 2010 at 1:55pm GMT

"The proposal is that it begins with a number of different conversations taking place simultan­eously at first. This is to provide a safe space where dialogue can begin and progress together in a spirit of discernment."

"Safe" from differing opinions (and girl cooties!).

When is a Primates Meeting not a Primates Meeting? When it's Primates-Subset Meeting 1, and Primates-Subset Meeting 2 . Alas, Lord have mercy...

Posted by: JCF on Friday, 19 November 2010 at 8:58pm GMT

"The need for discernment and dialogue"

This little piece by Canon Kearon ought to have categorised the whole process before allowing anyone to set up a disciplinary process through the Covenant, surely?

What will go on behind the scenes at any of these local meetings of selected Primates is anyone's guess. However, I would suspect that it has long been a process favoured by the Global South Primates - even before they set up their very own faux-Communion at Jerusalem. It certainly happened before the restrictive ethic of Lambeth 1:10 in 1988 - not to mention the decision to perform an exorcism on a gay priest by one of the G.S. bishops - that wasn't part of the programme!

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Saturday, 20 November 2010 at 2:33am GMT

“The proposal is that it begins with a number of different conversations taking place simultaneously at first. This is to provide a safe space where dialogue can begin and progress together in a spirit of discernment.”

Priceless! The Primates meet together in separate places to provide a safe space for dialogue. Are the powers expecting fisticuffs? Only the ACO could devise such a daft arrangement.

As others have said, invite all the Primates and whoever comes is in communion.

Posted by: Grandmère Mimi on Saturday, 20 November 2010 at 4:33pm GMT

Mimi
everybody knows that true discernment can only happen in a room full of likeminded people.
And we all know how violent those liberals are, they oppose you with strong words!
Scary stuff indeed.

Posted by: Erika Baker on Saturday, 20 November 2010 at 7:33pm GMT

"Lambeth should call the meeting without preconditions. And make very clear that it will publicize the list of who shows up, and who doesn't.

Then we will all know exactly who is unwilling to be in communion with whom."

- Posted by: Jeremy on Friday -

It seems that many of us 'Thinking Anglicans' are with you here, Jeremy.

In contrast, the very suggestion that Primates *in Communion* should meet in separate claques is a bit of an oxymoronic development - hardly conducive to collegiality in the 'Communion'. One supsects that the whole time in some of those groups would be spent in trying to dissociate themselves from 'communion' with the others in the other groups. Sounds sort of odd, to me!

Perhaps a giant Con-Celebration of the Eucharist with all Primates who are really 'At ONE' in the Communion - maybe in Westminster Abbey - would be a very good test of exactly who was prepared to BE IN COMMUNION ("Beloved, let us love one another - for love is of God!" - Jesus). Then we might clearly discern who is willing to be 'in Communion' with whom - in The Communion.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Sunday, 21 November 2010 at 5:54am GMT
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