Friday, 18 February 2011


From "No high hurdle for Anglican Covenant":

'Dr Thomas-Betts said she held Dr Williams in the highest esteem, “but what is the guarantee we will always have an Archbishop who has similar intelligence, compassion, and sen­sitivity? We should look beyond the person of Archbishop Rowan.”'

Now that made me laugh. But I'm from the US, and perhaps Dr Thomas-Betts' words describing Dr Williams have a different meaning in England.

Posted by: Grandmère Mimi on Friday, 18 February 2011 at 1:57am GMT

Interesting comment by the archbishop of York during the Covenant majority debate: "He also called for a distinction be­tween a Measure and an Act of Synod. A Measure needed a two-thirds majority to convince Parliament; and Act of Synod was for the Church: it had no other external controls, and if it turned into a Measure, they would have difficulty. "

Posted by: Lapinbizarre on Friday, 18 February 2011 at 7:08am GMT

'HIGH value was set on the con­tinuing ministry of the parish priest as “opening the door” to church for nervous banns couples, the Synod heard during a presentation on Tuesday afternoon.
The presentation, on the Weddings Project..'

Same sex couples are just as nervous, just as in need of welcome , and loving acceptance - or more so given all we have gone through.

Ironic that the official C of E is making noises about failing same sex couples- yet again.

Posted by: Laurence Roberts on Friday, 18 February 2011 at 6:42pm GMT

"The purpose of society was to enable all men and women to flourish in a relationship to God and to each other, Dr Sentamu went on. Society needed to encourage enter­prise and creativity. Work was not simply a means of making money, but the means by which individuals gained dignity and a sense of self-worth"

- Archbishop of York to General Synod -

I found this to be the most important segment of his speech to the recent G.S. meeting. In his plea for the Church to not be put off by the alien call of the world to secularism, ++Ebor did not completely ignore the need for the Church to be mindful of the importance of personal relationships - between human beings and God, and between the different sections of humanity.

In this new era of understanding of the issues of gender and sexuality, it is very important for the Church ot understand the integrity of valuing what is good about every human relationship, preferring to encourage the respect due to each and every human being made in the Image and likeness of God - regardless of race, religion, social class, gender or sexual-orientation.

For the Church to turn it's back now upon the possibility of offering it's 'Blessing' to the affirmation of lifelong, faithful same sex relationships - as an integral part of God's plan for the infinite diversity of his human children, would be a retrograde step, and a grave disappointment to those in the Church who look to the Church for Justice and Truth.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Friday, 18 February 2011 at 11:45pm GMT

The notion that 'the UK is a "scary place" for Christians' is self-regarding and absurd.

Posted by: John on Sunday, 20 February 2011 at 1:59pm GMT

"Areas where discussion might develop included the theme of Mary as paradigm, a bearer of the Word — a theme that helped to clarify what it was to be a disciple of Christ. In quarrying some material here, there was a focus on grace, Mary receiving the grace she needed to harness the incarnationality of God. That theme was not irrelevant to other issues, such as what it meant for humanity to be interdependent."

- The ABC's suggestion on the place of Mary -

I found ++Rowan's pointer towards the relevance of Mary as 'Paradigm - Bearer of The Word' most helpful in the ongoing study of her place in God's plan of redemption through Christ. After all, it was her obedience that pave the way for all of us in our ongoing journey of Faith in Jesus as Saviour and Redeemer of all humanity.

I regard Mary as Surrogate Mother of the Church.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Sunday, 20 February 2011 at 10:30pm GMT

"Sarah Finch (London), requesting a debate on freedom of conscience, which had been “seriously eroded” in the UK, where it was “not safe to be an openly Christian person”, said that Christians had been publicly humili­ated or sacked for living by perfectly orthodox Christian beliefs. “Britain is now a very scary place to be a com­mitted Christian,” she said. "

If Ms Finch seriously thinks that living in a country where Christianity is the established religion is "scary," maybe she's not cut out for this Christianity thing. Christians in several countries (Heard of Indonesia, Ms Finch? How about Pakistan?)are really suffering persecution. Evangelicals in the CofE whining about persecution is shameful and does real harm to the cause of British Christianity, and someone in a responsible position ought to tell them to shut up. Strongly.

Posted by: Bill Dilworth on Monday, 21 February 2011 at 9:56pm GMT

Perhaps Sarah Finch needs to more closely examine the potentiality of the Church to rule out the exercise of individual conscience - certainly on matters of the use of one's God-given gender or sexual-orientation. For the Church to continue to ignore the realities of a modern scientifc understanding of these issues is to perpetuate the mistakes of the mediaeval understanding of the Church on the evolving scientific discovery of the fact that the earth is not flat!

Individual conscience has to be acknowledged as the basis for any understanding of the collective consciousness that leads to social cohesion. And for Ms Finch to elevate her understanding of the need for an enforced 'religious' world-view just does not meet the criteria of the need to factor in the individual conscience. That fine balance between the individual and the corporate need to accept responsibility must never be overbalanced in favour of an oligarchy of dictatorship.

The Body of Christ is made up of many parts - each with their own integrity and responsibility for their own conscientious response to the needs of the whole.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Monday, 21 February 2011 at 11:37pm GMT
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