Updated Tuesday afternoon
The Special Legislative Committee has now reported out several of these resolutions. To make it easier to follow, here are links to the latest texts:
A159 Commitment to Interdependence in the Anglican Communion to be merged with A166
A160 Expression of Regret passed by Deputies, now goes to Bishops
A161 Election of Bishops debate by Deputies continues Tuesday Alternative text that was discussed
A162 Public Rites of Blessing for Same-Sex Unions now merged into A161
A163 Pastoral Care and Delegated Episcopal Pastoral Oversight
A164 Continued Attention to the Millennium Development Goals
A165 Commitment to Windsor and Listening Processes
A166 Anglican Covenant Development Process to be merged with A159
I felt so touched when reading part of Chris Sugden’s thoughts to Titusonenine, in which he said he & ‘Anglican Mainstream’ wasnt to go on “holding hands firmly” with ‘the orthordox’ in America, This sounds gr8 to me –surely holding hands is what it’s all abput !? 🙂
All forgiven ?
Surely TEC had no idea that ‘the bonds of affection’ required this kind of wide ranging Consultation, asit has never happened beforein throughout the AC ? Hong Kong got on and ordained Lee Tim Oi and Jane Hwang withought consultation–even after WW2. ECUSA consulted no-one about ordaining women as priests or even bishops. When the CPSA incorporated a good deal of missa normative and its langauge of eucharistic Sacrifce it din’t check with Zwinglians –in east Africa–and beyond ! And when Sydney introdued ‘lay presidency’ no one was consulted. Get my drift ?! Lots of bishops and priests have introdiuced,… Read more »
Laurence, you write:
“In Yorshire we have an ordained, woman RC priest.”
Details, please? Surely this “RC” priest is not actually recognized as such by the RCC?
Laurence Roberts has a remarkably selective recollection of recent events in Anglican church history! The appointment of the first Eames Commission on the ordination of women signalled that such issues required consultation throughout the Communion, so the the pretended surprise over VGR does not carry any weight whatsoever. Given the existence of Lambeth 1.10, nobody could claim to be surprised at the international response to GC2003. Li Tim Oi was ordained in Hong Kong in wartime, when consultation was impossible. The Bishop afterwards wrote to +William Temple to inform him, but Temple wrote back to require him not to continue.… Read more »
How can any convened meeting of any Christian Church dictate to God the Holy Spirit how and when that Spirit may (or may not) intervene in the life of the Church? Refraining from nominating practicing gays to the episcopacy simply overrules God!
“Sydney did initiate discussion of lay presidency within the Communion, but has not authorised it following the negative response it receivedâ€â€”Alan Marsh
Oh, please Alan. Everyone who follows this issue with the Jensenites knows that lay presidency takes place in Sydney. Just as same-sex blessings are not “authorized†in the USA, but take place here anyway.
Alan, I’m following ‘Colombus, Ohio’ on the ‘Stand Firm’ blog– I know “Why don’t I get a life?” 🙂 (which can be reached via the Integrity website), and so I’m certain that they have not yet Responded to ‘Windsor’. Does that mean that when you say ‘ECUSA has chosen to go its own course’, you are referring to the election of the new Presiding Bishop ? I’d appreciate it if you could clarify this, for me. I am probably wrong, as otherwise it would mean that, you feel TEC may not elect it’s own leadership, if too ‘liberal’. I can’t… Read more »
Nadine Thanks. It was a Sunday paper- The Sunday Telegraph, if I’m not mistaken, a most exciting report. I’m not sure where I put it for safe keeping, but if I do find it I’ll give further details. I have not yet had the pleasure of meeting her, myself. She may even be leading the solitary life–can’t quite recall. Also on tv a few weeks ago was aprogramme about women being ordained priest in France. Some years attended mass in the chapel of the Assumptionists in Kensinton, w. London. An anglican woman priest presided, but the rite was the roman… Read more »
Hi Alan, I felt I got so caught up in my last post, there was something I didnt say. About your feelings- hope that’s not impertinent. I don’t want you or anyone to feel discouraged or worse. I don’t want you or anyone to be, or feel pushed out of the Church. But I honestly don’t think it’s going to happen. I do want lgbt folks to feel welcome, able to stay, join , or return; without having to hide. So I just hope there could be room for all, rooms for us all 🙂 I hope I haven’t been… Read more »
Dear Father Laurence Don’t worry, I don’t take offence of any kind. Open debate and discussion helps to clarify matters, for which I am grateful. The RC Church has categorically refused to ordain women as deacon, priest or bishop, and any woman who claims to have been ordained as a priest in newspaper articles you have seen is certainly not a Roman Catholic priest. RC Bishops do not have authority to ordain women, whatever their personal view of the issue. GC is free to elect whoever it wishes to be its presiding bishop, even a lay person if it wishes,… Read more »
Shouldn’t we at least stop pretending that the dominant faction within the ECUSA bases even the vaguest of it’s pursuits on matters of divinity? Their agenda is entirely based on secular, worldly political activism. The “Holy Spirit” has nothing to do with it.
“To my grief and shock (I have tried hard to be optimistic to the very end) ECUSA has decided to go it alone, and will cease to be part of the Anglican Communion very soon. We are all the poorer for being separated from Rome and the Orthodox, and ECUSA has now separated itself in favour of another religion, which looks more and more antinomian and even Gnostic in “pretending to extraordinary revelation and gifts of the Holy Ghost”. I count this as a great loss.â€â€”Alan Marsh No Alan, if there is any “separating†to do, Canterbury et al must… Read more »
>>>Their agenda is entirely based on secular, worldly political activism.
Some of us would refer to it as “corporal acts of mercy,” though I suspect that term isn’t used much by the Anglo-Baptists in Fort Worth.
Kurt said, “However much grief and shock you are unfortunately experiencing, rest assured that most Episcopalians feel neither.” Actually, I have to wonder whether most episcopalians will be content with the news that GC has walked out of the Anglican Communion. Every American Anglican I have met over many years has been severely (and sometimes embarrassingly) Anglophile, and I somehow doubt whether the inevitable isolation of ECUSA will play well with the folks in the congregations. Kurt also said, “We were not in communion with Canterbury for sixty years (until the 1830s, actually) after Independence.” Try reading the new history… Read more »