Thinking Anglicans

Monday press reports on Columbus

Updated Monday afternoon

Telegraph
Jonathan Petre Anglican crisis as woman leads US Church
Victory for liberal could lead to schism
Rival services illustrate Church gulf
editorial opinion The spectre of schism

Guardian
Stephen Bates US church elects first woman leader
US Anglicans accused of setting up own religion

The Times
Ruth Gledhill Bishop breaks stained glass ceiling

New York Times
Neela Banerjee Woman Is Named Episcopal Leader

Washington Post
Juliet Eilperin Episcopal Church Chooses First Female Leader

Associated Press
Rachel Zoll Bishop Chosen 1st Female Episcopal Leader

BBC
Anglicans must split, says bishop
Anglican split ‘has become necessary’
Profile: Katharine Jefferts Schori (includes link to 2 min video report)
Robert Pigott New model schism for Anglicans

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New Here
New Here
15 years ago

Is the Telegraph a right wing newspaper? I know that the Times is one of Murdoch’s mouthpieces, but I am not familiar with the Telegraph.

Steven
Steven
15 years ago

Well, the changes keep rollin’ in. And, depending on your perspective, the news from Columbus is glorious and redolent of a grand new day, or something akin to the trump of doom. However, one way or another, there is this to say: When you take a wrecking ball to the grand old cathedral, you had better be prepared to construct something even more wonderful in its place. The wrecking balls have been swinging for some time now. At first, it was just a bit of a remodel they had in mind, a change here and there, a bit more light… Read more »

lizw
15 years ago

The Telegraph is traditionally a conservative paper.

drdanfee
drdanfee
15 years ago

Ah, I think most liberal or progressive believers, ah, well, ah, mainly discern these things as they try to, ah, follow Jesus. Thus, if anybody is pledged to be in charge, it is God, not any of us. You’d think some conservative or orthodox people were still upset that they were necessarily carried for nine months in their mother’s wombs, the damage or fear of some agitated and uncanny contamination they associate with women is so often stated so strongly. I have to admit that I just don’t get it, yet, all this talk about women causing damage. As if… Read more »

Merseymike
Merseymike
15 years ago

Steven ; that ‘grand edifice’ is rotten to the core. It needs to be destroyes. We need revision and renewal.

Honza Prchal
15 years ago

None of the news stories I’ve loked at mentions the Bible, Christ or even God, though there are some slanting references to sin – as in, do you really believe in it. “Christianity with a difference”, here we come, or at least those who stick around. If we were interested in these debates, we could form a debating club, but someone please explain to me how any of this resembles Christian ministry.

drdanfee
drdanfee
15 years ago

The negative, rejecting tone of the published conservative comments so far suggests to me that the realignment campaign leaders were not much inclined to do anything except push for their next steps to take over power, no matter what ECUSA voted. These pressures will now probably be brought to bear upon other provinces which will probably be pushed further to define things according to the preferred Either/Or (Nazir-Ali), then take sides: God vs. ECUSA. This is a winner takes all, Top Dog game in play, nothing else. Alas. Lord have mercy.

Charles
Charles
15 years ago

The Telegraph is (or was) owned by Conrad Black. Its even more right-wing than the Times (IMHO).

David Huff
15 years ago

OK Steven, fair enough. Let’s see “your side” finally start being true to what you claim to profess, leave the rest of us in peace, and go off to build something “more wonderful than the grand edifice [we] are in the process of destroying.” If you can.

Then, well, we can always use the Gamaliel test to see which vision turns out the best…

Gerry Lynch
15 years ago

New Here – the Telegraph is indeed a right-wing newspaper – an honest and rather fogeyish one, and usually rather a good one, although their religious reporting sometimes leaves a lot to be deisred. They can be rather papistical and anti-CofE.

thomas bushnell, bsg
15 years ago

now steven, is that appropriate? didn’t the windsor report hold out the way the US dealt with the ordination of women, including women bishops, as a hallmark of things being done rightly? i think this shows up the bullies for what they are. can all the bullies please just write down a list of their demands, instead of making a demand, and then another, and then another? nobody demanded we should not elect a woman as presiding bishop, nobody raised a single worried voice when the nomination came out. seems like a convenient excuse, and from the very people who… Read more »

Laurence Roberts
Laurence Roberts
15 years ago

Yes, you could say The Telegraph is right wing ! :–)

J. C. Fisher
15 years ago

“It is an awesome responsibility and frankly, I don’t think you’re up to it. Not in a million years.”

Or a billion. Or until the End of Time.

Good thing, then, it’s NOT up to us Episcopalians (treasures in *extremely fragile* earthen vessels).

We depend ENTIRELY on Our Lord Jesus Christ: there, Steven, is your “awesome”! 😀

Steven
Steven
15 years ago

David: You seem to forget that it is you and not we who are destroying that Grand Old Edifice. We are the ones who built it, you are the ones who are tearing it down. The responsibility is yours. You are the ones whose destruction of the old paths can only be justified by the creation of something better. Will you be able to do so? Merseymike certainly seems to think so as do JCF and many others. Time will tell I suppose, and I am quite content to rest on Gamaliel’s maxim. However, here is what I project: TEC… Read more »

New Here
New Here
15 years ago

Thanks for the info about the Telegraph.

Is anyone else wondering if Jeffert Shori’s election might have something to do with the English bishops rushing into Columbus to tell us how to run our church? A little backlash?

Maybe it wasn’t such a great idea to send bwana over to whip the colonials into line.

Dave
Dave
15 years ago

David Huff wrote: “Then, well, we can always use the Gamaliel test to see which vision turns out the best…”

Dear David, I hope that we can. At least it stops so much energy being wasted on internal disagreements. Maybe each Province can allow liberal churches and dioceses to join the EC and conservative ones to stay in the AC. Along with proportionate distribution of the buildings, funds (and debts).

Marshall Scott
15 years ago

None of the news reports capture the atmosphere on the floor of the House of Deputies when the news was received. There was one voice raised in opposition to this election, and many raised in support. When the vote came (by orders, so that the clergy half of each deputation voted as a unit, and the lay half voted as a unit) the support for confirmation among both the lay and clergy orders was overwhelming – well above the approximate 2/3 support for Bishop Robinson’s confirmation. For most this was a great surprise, and a great pleasure, taken in its… Read more »

Susan
Susan
15 years ago

I would like to see a broader perspective on religion in America in news about ECUSA. US Anglican conservatives are as much a minority in US society as they are in the ECUSA. ECUSA may be out there on gays, but it is mainstream on the position of women. The number of women in the ministries of most mainstream American Protestant denominations continues to increase. Many Pentecostal churches here are founded and led by women. At the same time, American Roman Catholics are the Vatican’s biggest headache, flouting prohibitions on birth control, abortion, and in vitro fertilization. Rome can’t get… Read more »

Dave
Dave
15 years ago

Dear Susan, how American society is changing (or any other human society for that matter) is not the way to decide what Christianity is… Christianity is not liberal democracy – it is a revealed religion. You will always have some human societies to the right of Christianity and some human societies to the left of Christianity!

And as for financing – to me Truth is more important than Money!

Christopher Shell
Christopher Shell
15 years ago

Hi Susan Do you think that social change is the way to decide what Christianity is? On what basis? Social change happens for all sorts of reasons. Economic. Media-led. All sorts of reasons that one cannot guarantee to be moral. If you see society as the leader and the church as the follower, then clearly it would be dumb to be part of the church, since the church is so clearly ‘behind the game’. If you see the main question to be ‘Is something fashionable or not?’ that is such an odd position to take that you must surely defend… Read more »

Warren Eckels
Warren Eckels
15 years ago

Alternate future: The pope after Benedict XVI permits the ordination of married men to the priesthood and clarifies papal infallibility, and Fort Worth and San Joaquin go to Rome as well as many African, Latin American and other South Anglicans. Divested of its reactionaries (and perhaps some property) and unyoked from Nigeria and Sydney, ECUSA can finally speak with more clarity in a country that’s not known for appreciating nuance (as our Democrats are continually taught but never learn). Brits and Canadians will kindly note that it’s not the US that has approved laws allowing gay marriage or civil unions.… Read more »

Laurence Roberts
Laurence Roberts
15 years ago

Thank you so much for your Monday post Susan.
Also Warren for your Wednesday post.

I appreciate each of them very much, and am reflecting on their wisdom.

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