Thinking Anglicans

more American reports and viewpoints

Updated Tuesday morning

Jack Iker has been interviewed by Stand Firm about the Camp Allen meeting. Read it here.

Mark Lawrence has been interviewed by the ACN. Related to this, Greg Jones has republished in full an article by Fr Lawrence, Remaining Anglican: In Defense of Dissociation.

Greg Jones himself wrote Megaphone Churchmanship.

Episcopal News Service reports Ndungane disavows Global South Communiqué.

Mark Harris wrote Southern Africa speaks, will more follow?

Matt Thompson continues his Nigerian writing with No guilt by association.

Christ Church Plano has issued a page of Q&A About Our Future.

D Magazine has a long article about the Diocese of Dallas, Breaking Up Is Hard To Do (hat tip KH).

Tuesday Updates

Fr Jake has The Imaginary Majority.

Marshall Scott wrote An Alternative to Hegemony in Anglican Arguments.

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Göran Koch-Swahne
17 years ago

I find the Lawrence piece Remaining Anglican… to be the most outspoken and unabashed declaration of Calvinism I have yet experienced in these few years observing your present troubles (only the last in a long row of attempted coups).

Christopher Calderhead
Christopher Calderhead
17 years ago

From Remaining Anglican:

“..a misguided passion to be culturally sensitive…
… In its need to be perceived as relevant to one segment of our culture, …
…this exclusive pursuit of ‘cultural sensitivity’ “

Mark Lawrence has picked up some of the lingo of liberalism, but clearly has no idea what actually motivates liberal actions in these areas.

17 years ago

Christopher Calderhead says what I would have, if I were still interested. It’s all spin at this point – or else willful ignorance, perhaps. And I always find it telling that theology seems to correlate so closely with geography (or culture). Perhaps if people knew and had to work alongside gay folks, the pains and contradictions of real relationships would begin to instruct the heart. “Anglicanism” itself is the new golden calf, I’m afraid. Imagine dismissing the spiritual struggles of fellow Christians so casually, apparently largely because one wishes to continue to call oneself “Anglican”! I just can’t take any… Read more »

17 years ago

Picking up on Bishop Terry’s thoughts, I think Fr. Marshall’s piece using postcolonial thinking key not simply globally but nationally as there are often several cultures within any given structure of Church. Here in the US there is an emerging queer Christian culture. When my partner and I worked with others to design a rite, which can be found here ( ), gathered friends and family and a Benedictine sister to officiate we were participating in that emerging culture, living into our baptism and doing what needs to be done rather priests and bishops will do so or not.… Read more »

Prior Aelred
17 years ago

OK — I’ve read what Fr Lawrence has to say & I repeat my earlier question — how can a person swear to uphold the Constitutions and Canons of The Episcopal Church AND ask for Alternative Primatial Oversight? These remain mutually exclusive positions. If TEC has erred in its understanding of Sacred Scripture & is irreformable, then please leave.

Marshall Scott
17 years ago

I read Lawrence’s article, and it sounded so very reasonable. It is very much what Umberto Eco described as “moronic:” demonstrating good logic without considering whether there were problems with the premises. For example, the earliest generations of the teaching of the Apostles was not based on a literal use of the Hebrew Scriptures. If they had focused on literal interpretation, they could never have accepted the mission work of Paul (and, arguably, none of us would be here). In the teaching of the Apostles nothing was more important than acceptance of the work of Christ. Indeed, in words of… Read more »

laurence roberts
laurence roberts
17 years ago

* Christopher
this liturgy is so moving and the Litany really got to me. I look forward to pondering it slowly…Many, many thanks for sharing it with us, here…if you both represent this emerging christian gay culture, then it is in terrific hands! I feel very moved…

And congratulations and best wishes to you both.

Cheryl Clough
17 years ago

I think the South Africans are showing exceptional wisdom. I note that they are referring to “liberation theology”, which has been hugely beneficial to countries that sought solutions whilst being oppressively under the thumb of unfair global economics and/or vicious or corrupt local regimes. A pan-Christian comment would be that this theology was touted a lot in the 1980s and then severely repressed by some well-known religious leaders. That must be coming back to haunt them now, as the veils of illusion are lifted and they see that their repression made them butt-lickers to unjust systems.

Ren Aguila
Ren Aguila
17 years ago

Cheryl, I think I know one of them. Last time I checked, he was being pilloried over comments on Islam and is still under a cloud of suspicion.
There’s one of the mistakes of Cardinal Ratzinger you highlighted, and now, it is showing.

Todd Parker
Todd Parker
17 years ago

When I was a student living in Oxford almost twenty years ago, I heard Rowan Williams talk about the need for an open, welcoming church that accepted the gifts of all of its members. I also heard a man whose theology was Christ-centered and who preached Christ’s love to others. That man seems to have disappeared completely into the persona of the Archbishop of Canterbury. The Archbishop’s appointment of Drexel Gomez to head a “Covenant Design Group” is just about the last step in the transformation that has turned a good man into a functionary more concerned with structures of… Read more »

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