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primates meeting: Friday evening

Dave Walker has a comprehensive view of the entire event so far at The Primates Meeting.

Jonathan Petre has blogged again, see Reeling on the ropes.

The Living Church has filed Amid Lowered Tensions, Primates Review Draft Covenant by George Conger. He notes:

At the 2005 meeting in Northern Ireland, 14 primates declined to receive the Eucharist with Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold. In Dar es Salaam, the formerly recusant primates of the West Indies, Pakistan, Central Africa, Congo and Tanzania received with Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, as did the new primate of the Indian Ocean. The primate of Sudan, who in 2005 did not receive, is absent from Dar es Salaam. Two primates who arrived late to the meeting, representing the Philippines and Myanmar, were not present for the controversy.

Different times, circumstances and people prompted this change, one Global South leader noted, adding however that the resumption of eucharistic fellowship by some did not represent a relaxation of opprobrium for the actions of The Episcopal Church.

Episcopal News Service has filed two reports by Matthew Davies
Seven ‘Global South’ Primates refuse to share Holy Communion
Primates discuss Covenant, Listening Process; continue Windsor consideration

Anglican Journal has 7 conservative primates refuse to take communion with fellow leaders

Global South Anglican has published A Confused Report: Initial comments on the Communion Sub-group Report by Michael Poon.

titusonenine has published In Defense of Rowan Williams: An Alternative Explanation for the Infamous Gang of Four Committee Report by Craig Uffman.

Scott Gunn has two blog entries: It’s all a numbers game? and Friday — reflections on the day. And there are additional pictures here.

Caro Hall has more blog reflections here.

Tobias Haller has this to say.

Late addition: BBC Setback for Church conservatives should have been included here also.

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Fr Joseph O'Leary
14 years ago

Craig Uffmann’s comments are very interesting. I do think that both Rowan Williams and Katharine Jefferts Schori are practitioners of “overaccepting.” The master of this art is Desmond Tutu. These three bishops see good in everyone and leave everyone with the impression that they are accepted and affirmed. Dealing with both liberals and conservatives, both aggressors and victims (in South Africa or Northern Ireland in Tutu’s case) the “overaccepting” pastor makes them feel: “you’re all right”. Yet this curiously does not prevent them from pointing out sin and error. Focusing on the positive they challenges people to live up to… Read more »

drdanfee
drdanfee
14 years ago

A cross-post from Tobias Haller’s blog, concerning those who cannot bring themselves to share Eucharist and grow in charity (recall that probably in olden times, the terrible pitched dilemma was the outrageous Anglican notion that Puritans and Catholics could share eucharist and thus lay down their weaponized doctrinal disputes): … more cruel and unreasonable are they than brute beasts, that cannot be persuaded to be good to their Christian brethren and neighbours, for whom Christ suffered death, when in this sacrament they be put in remembrance that the Son of God bestowed his life for his enemies. We see by… Read more »

Curtis
Curtis
14 years ago

Thanks to Dave Walker for an absolutely astute analysis.

Andrew Innes
Andrew Innes
14 years ago

“It is clear that Lambeth Resolution 1.10 is going to continue for the foreseeable future as the standard of teaching by which the Anglican Communion as a whole will live.” A reflection…. I had a good friend, a gifted, gay Anglican priest, who met a violent end…..because he looked for love in all the wrong places…..because his church didn’t offer a responsible alternative. That was 25 years ago, and it still doesn’t and won’t “for the forseeable future.” How terribly, terribly sad. But if that is to be the situation, does the church have anything to say to a young… Read more »

Cheryl Clough
14 years ago

Too many comments needing to be made in too many places. Dave Walker’s cartoons delighted me. Jonathon Petre’s quote of Colin Coward pleased me. One thing that has left me fuming for the last day are souls who claim to speak on behalf of the Holy Ghost/Spirit. Two reasons, firstly, two years ago leaders associated with this camp denied that Spirit spoke directly to people, so I still am bewildered how a camp that completely denied Spirit two years ago can claim to have the “inside word” on what Spirit does or does not endorse. Secondly, I am really, really… Read more »

seeker
seeker
14 years ago

But if that is to be the situation, does the church have anything to say to a young gay person, who is troubled, beyond,”Try not to do it. But if you must, do it and confess it.” I’d love to hear from Canon Philip Groves or someone in authority, on this. Will the church provide guidance to its clergy on how to sensitively deal with young gays? Will it provide the equivalent of “Anger management” courses for young gay people, who are having difficulty controlling their sexual impulses. Or will it be left to individual clergy to muddle through. ‘Resolutions… Read more »

seeker
seeker
14 years ago

‘I am really, really pissed off that people can say that I am really, really pissed off that people can say that Spirit intended the holy texts to be used to justify hatred and explusion of God’s children. (Isaiah 45:10) Or that the holy texts were meant to be a carte blanche enslavement and brutalisation of women of God’s children. (Isaiah 45:10) Or that the holy texts were meant to be a carte blanche enslavement and brutalisation of women ..’ Thanks as always for your generous sharing Cheryl. ‘..Spirit intended the holy texts..’ this phrase has particularly struck me, in… Read more »

drdanfee
drdanfee
14 years ago

Yes, kudos once again to Dave Walker for summarizing it all to date. His voice is a spiritual gift to us. Yeah Dave.

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