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Melbourne to have female bishop

The press release from the Diocese of Melbourne is titled First woman bishop appointed in Victoria.

The Herald Sun reports it as Canon Barbara Darling to become Victoria’s first female bishop.

The ABC has Congratulations Darling! Female vicar becomes bishop.

Update
A somewhat misleading headline on this story in the Herald Sun Another historic woman bishop for Church of England.

Note to Herald Sun from here:

When did the Church of England become the Anglican Church of Australia?

The Anglican Church of Australia has been known by this name since 24 August 1981.

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Mark Wharton
Mark Wharton
12 years ago

It seems to me that since the appellant tribunal declared that women could be bishops, several people have interpreted this as “We must have women bishops” and this is degrading to all women because they have only been appointed because they are women and not because they are necessarily good priests. Just because someone can be a Bishop does not mean that they should be.

Lois Keen
12 years ago

Wow! Excellent!

Merseymike
Merseymike
12 years ago

How do you know, Mark? Given that you don’t agree with women’s ordination, your view is not exactly worth considering as it would apply equally to any woman.

Stephen Roberts
Stephen Roberts
12 years ago

Mark Wharton “they have only been appointed because they are women”.

Hogwash. It is perfectly credible that suitable women candidates have existed for some time, only prevented from becoming Bishop by canonically enshrined prejudice. Or perhaps you have some evidence to support your nuanced slur on Barbara Darling’s ability?

Erika Baker
Erika Baker
12 years ago

Mark
are you talking about any particular case here? Are you in the privileged position to know whether a particular bishop was appointed because she is excellent or for political reasons?

If so, you should make this evidence public.

Fr Mark
Fr Mark
12 years ago

Oh Mark, come off it, what a miserable whingy thing to say. The degrading thing is that the C of E is still keeping women out.

Frozenchristian
Frozenchristian
12 years ago

Of couse Mark you have no problem with bishops who have been appointed because they are men….

choirboyfromhell
choirboyfromhell
12 years ago

Mark, you got all emotional, sensitive and defensive my (admitted) attacks on this subject five days ago. Why do you open yourself up for this by making blanket statements about somebody whom you don’t know at all and have no idea of their qualifications, other than the fact they’re female?

There are some sexual serious issues here Mark, and it ain’t some bishop elect in faraway kangaroo land.

BIGDAN
BIGDAN
12 years ago

I think Mark may have a point, but I don’t see any reason to believe that Barbara Darling was appointed simply because she was a woman.

drdanfee
drdanfee
12 years ago

So? Hmmm I suppose the same notions apply to VGR being elected in New Hampshire, i.e., that the diocese discerned him because he was gay? A silly USA affirmative action thang gone waaay wrong? Hard to credit, actually. One suspects, always open to evidential correction, that many capable women and gay men or lesbians have served long and hard in church life – with the closet being the typical hard rule for gay men/lesbian believers more often than not in a good many provinces – and that, based on evidence, they are discerned despite the trash talk and mistreatment that… Read more »

Mark Bennet
Mark Bennet
12 years ago

Of course every person appointed to a post is appointed because they are the person they are – that’s trivial and not worth saying.

It is when they are appointed (wholly or in part) because of what/who they are not that the questions have to be asked.

Göran Koch-Swahne
12 years ago

Personhood versus irrelevant circumstances ; = )

Robert Ian Williams
Robert Ian Williams
12 years ago

It really makes me sick, when Cardinal Kaspar tells the Church of England not to proceed with women bishops , when there are now 17 in the Anglican Commiunion, all invited to Lambeth.

10 TEC,
1 NZ
2 Australia
1 Cuba
3 Canada

Hold your head in shame, Kaspar

ARCIC should be renamed

CEARIC ( CHURCH ODF ENGLAND ANGLICAN ROMAN CAYTHOLIC COMMISSION)

Robert Ian Williams
Robert Ian Williams
12 years ago

Have any of you noticed how Anglicam Mainstream are now coming out as anti-women bishops?

Spirit of Vatican II
12 years ago

“they are appointed (wholly or in part) because of what/who they are” — o masters of weasel-word rhetoric, study these beauts: “wholly or in part” and “what/who”!

Mark Bennet
Mark Bennet
12 years ago

Spirit of Vatican II

It is amazing what you can do by leaving the word ‘not’ out of a quotation.

Mark Wharton
Mark Wharton
12 years ago

Cardinal Kasper in an immense theologian, pastor and priest; the disregard which has been shown to his comments with regard to women Bishops is atrocious. Some of you may wish to live with sociological theology and impaired communion but many Anglicans who do “think” do not, and our right to live within the Church catholic must be protected. Cardinal Kasper was INVITED to give his thoughts and the Anglican Church should have the grace to listen to him, not simply dismiss him. We should have the courage as Anglicans to admit anyone who is ordained without the consent of the… Read more »

Merseymike
Merseymike
12 years ago

Nonsense, Mark. The Anglican church, or any other church, can do as it wishes – otherwise one is forced to change nothing unless everyone agrees. A surefire recipe for atrophy.

If you don’t like women bishops, then what is stopping you joining a part of the church which rejects them – you can’t forever hold back those who want to move forward, not be held back by reactionaries.

Robert Ian Williams
Robert Ian Williams
12 years ago

HOW CAN YOU HAVE UNITY WITH A CHURCH WHICH HAS 2,500 women priests? Or with a Communion which has 7,000 and 17 bishops.

Is this not an obstacle to unity?

The Roman Catholic dialogue is with the Anglican Communion and not with the Church of England.

The pope goes on about relativism…however Cardinal Kaspar suffers from ” self deceptionism.” There will never be corporate re-union between Anglicanism and the Roman Catholic Church.

Mark Wharton
Mark Wharton
12 years ago

The choice is simple: either one is an Anglican or a Catholic Christan. It is time to decide!

Pat O'Neill
Pat O'Neill
12 years ago

Mark and Robert:

Because you are both Roman Catholics (I assume this, am I right?), you take the position that the RC is correct in forbidding women’s ordination and consecration. Around the world, millions of other Christians–Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans, and others–disagree. They believe the Spirit has spoken to them in this matter.

Fr Mark
Fr Mark
12 years ago

Mark Wh (too many Marks on this thread!): but the RC Church believes that none of our bishops are “real” bishops; and that none of our priests are “real” priests either. So why on earth should we worry whether some of us are “less real” than others?

Mark Wharton
Mark Wharton
12 years ago

Fr. Mark
It must be the goal of all Anglicans to return to Rome and to elect a person who cannot be a symbol of unity is to dismiss a historic and vital part of the episcopate.
On the matter of the validity of orders, point taken, but be aware that there are many Anglicans who doubt the validity of women priests’ orders and this is a very serious issue in any Church. Now Australian Anglicans have another problem; what about the men she ordains? Are they Priests?

Robert Ian Williams
Robert Ian Williams
12 years ago

I support women in the Anglican episcopate and believe that they should have unequiviocal recognituion within their own household of Faith. i believe that FIF should do the honest thing and either leave for Rome or found their own sect. However their congregations would be so small they could never support its clergy.

I believe that the C OF E with an unequivovcal stance will serve ecumenism for better, as corporate re-union was never a serious proposition. That is why I am so disgusted at Cardinal Kaspar’s ridiculous thesis.Anglicans are not going to give up their contraception and divorce.

Pat O'Neill
Pat O'Neill
12 years ago

“It must be the goal of all Anglicans to return to Rome…”

Says who? I suggest that it ill behooves anyone not of a particular denomination to start setting goals for that denomination.

How would you like it if I said, “It must be the goal of all Roman Catholics to return to Constantinople….?”

Fr Mark
Fr Mark
12 years ago

Robt Ian W is right: we are not going to give up being liberal on contraception and divorce (I hope!); nor on women or gays. One day, who knows, perhaps the RC Church will be grateful we pressed ahead on those things, before it withers away itself in Europe.

Erika Baker
Erika Baker
12 years ago

“It must be the goal of all Anglicans to return to Rome…”

Eh… no!
Unity can only happen if the two churches meet as equal partners and a truly unified church is created.
One side simply “returning” to another is not goign to happen. Nor should it, to my mind, be anyone’s goal.

Ford Elms
Ford Elms
12 years ago

“It must be the goal of all Anglicans to return to Rome” Why? As long as the Bishop of Rome continues in his unCatholic claims to be King of the Bishops, I see no reason whatsoever to “return” anywhere. The Kingdom of God is not ruled from Rome, nor Constantinople, not Canterbury, nor Geneva. I have great respect for the office and variable respect for the men who occupy it, but the idea that any one bishop can lord it over all the others is not part of the Catholic faith. Just because Rome has been saying it for centuries… Read more »

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