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New Vision has published this “clarification” of the earlier article:

Gays not after Orombi’s head

Kampala

Archbishop Henry Luke Orombi yesterday clarified that he did not say gays were planning to kill him or that he fears for his life over his campaign against the practice. This followed reports that the bishop had told Christians at Kitunga in Ntungamo district that he feared for his life over his anti-gay stance. Orombi noted that gays were not only in the church, but were a big movement and some of them were drug addicts, who could kill anybody.

The Daily Monitor reports Archbishop Orombi re-affirms anti-gay stand by Paul Aruho

Bushenyi

The Archbishop of Uganda has rallied Christians to stand by him in his fight against homosexuality in the Anglican Church. He said his life was under threat from the gay community.

“The team of homosexuals is very rich, Archbishop Henry Luke Orombi said, “They have money and will do whatever it takes to make sure that this vice penetrates Africa. We have to stand out and say no to them.”
Archbishop Orombi, on a week-long tour of the western region said the advocates of homosexuality, a crime under the Uganda code act, are taking advantage of the abject poverty in Africa to lure people into their club.

“As a Church, we want to worship the living God; we want to obey God and we have to submit ourselves to God so you pray for us; we shall remain faithful to God,” Archbishop Orombi said.

Homosexuality has been a sticky issue in the Anglican Church lately, with the climax happening last week when the Church of Uganda and other Anglican provinces in Africa, South America and Australia formed a new movement which is not under the authority of Canterbury at the Global Anglican Future Conference in Jerusalem, Israel.

The conference criticised the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, for failing to discipline the errant Episcopal Church of the US and the Anglican Church of Canada, which promote same-sex marriages. The two churches supported the consecration of a homosexual, Gene Robinson, as bishop in 2003.

Meanwhile, New Vision also reports this: Bishop Ssenyonjo invited to Lambeth but see comment below which contradicts this.

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Rob Leduc
Rob Leduc
13 years ago

The good archbishop needs to learn that the first thing to do to get out of a deep hole is to stop digging.

Ford Elms
Ford Elms
13 years ago

“some of them were drug addicts, who could kill anybody.” And some of them are saints who live the Gospel far better than he does. And the Daily Monitor piece?!?!?!?! Thing is, I remember some Conservatives on this site referring to +Orombi as “a Godly man”. Anyone want to claim that what is reported in New Vision and the Daily Monitor constitute Godliness? But of course there will be the protestations: “the papers take things out of context”, though how the above statement, to cite one of many, could be made Godly in any context is beyond me, “he didn’t… Read more »

MJ
MJ
13 years ago

Regarding +Ssenyonjo; he has NOT been formally invited to the Lambeth Conference: UGANDA: Ssenyonjo not invited to the Lambeth Conference 11th July 2008 The Archbishop of Canterbury’s office has confirmed that Christopher Ssenyonjo, the second Bishop of West Buganda Diocese, has not been invited to the Lambeth Conference of Bishops. Christopher Ssenyonjo will not be seated with Bishops at the Lambeth Conference, and will not participate in the deliberations during the Conference, as reported in the New Vision on 7th July. Church of Uganda Provincial Secretary, Rev. Canon Aaron Mwesigye, said, “We can only conclude that Christopher Ssenyonjo was invited… Read more »

Pat O'Neill
Pat O'Neill
13 years ago

I’m sorry, unless Orombi is claiming that the reporter got all of his quotes wrong–and he doesn’t make that claim here–that is not at ALL what he said. If he is incapable of saying what he actually means (and I don’t believe that for a moment), then perhaps he should stop speaking for attribution. As for his new statements–whence comes this belief that gays are some massive world-wide conspiracy or cabal? Has Orombi been reading too much Ian Fleming? Or comic books? Does he think there is some queer version of Blofeld or Doctor Doom (or maybe Doctor Evil) out… Read more »

Jay Vos
Jay Vos
13 years ago

This is a clarification? (Note: it’s not an apology.) To add insult to injury, so now queers are drug addicts, too?

The Wayward Episcopalian
13 years ago

I suppose there are no straight drug addicts in the church capable of killing anybody?

Wilf
Wilf
13 years ago

Well, that’s all clear then…..

Ford Elms
Ford Elms
13 years ago

“whence comes this belief that gays are some massive world-wide conspiracy or cabal?”

It’s the persecution myth. Gays are in cahoots with liberals, united by their shared desire to usurp the Gospel and replace it with a message of “I’m ok, you’re ok”. They do this by oppressing the faithful remnant.

Sam R
Sam R
13 years ago

The GAFCON crowd are acting more and more like ecclesiastical Keystone Kops by the minute. The main problem is that they are two different factions joined together – badly. The African (and other developing world) conservatives believe that no-one has a homosexual orientation, homosexuality is something you can be converted to, or bribed into. In their lexicon, ‘homosexual’ means someone who commits homosexual acts. Also, for them calling for the prosecution of LGBTI people is no sin, nor is acquiescing in their rape or murder. The First World conservatives have a softer line. They too believe homosexual acts are a… Read more »

JCF
JCF
13 years ago

This would be hilarious if it weren’t so tragic.

Orombi clearly needs our prayers. The evidence that he needs healing from his mental, um, “issues”, are too compelling to ignore. 🙁

O Great Physician Jesus, look with mercy on your child Henry Luke…

Erika Baker
Erika Baker
13 years ago

“whence comes this belief that gays are some massive world-wide conspiracy or cabal?”

It’s the persecution myth.”

Did anyone see the photo of Davis Mac-Iyalla, Sir Ian Mac-Kellen and Peter Tatchell at last week’s Gay Pride London? On Mad Priest someone added a caption: Who’s brought the agenda?

Malcolm+
13 years ago

“It’s the persecution myth. Gays are in cahoots with liberals, united by their shared desire to usurp the Gospel and replace it with a message of “I’m ok, you’re ok”. They do this by oppressing the faithful remnant.”

Somedays I wonder that the conspiracy theory does not expand to include communists, Jews, international banks, the United Nations, the CIA and space aliens.

MJ
MJ
13 years ago

Couldn’t resist posting this news story from New Vision 🙂 “Prayers at Adalafu Church of Uganda in Arua district came to a premature end on Sunday when two pastors fought over who was to preside over the Holy Communion session. The service that was proceeding normally under the leadership of the Rev. Solomon Dramayi turned theatrical when retired Rev. Samuel Anguzu put on his robes and took centre stage to preside over Holy Communion. Witnesses said the pastors first whispered to each other, before the whispers turned into a loud exchange of bitter words after failing to agree on who… Read more »

Erika Baker
Erika Baker
13 years ago

“The team of homosexuals is very rich, Archbishop Henry Luke Orombi said,”

It should go without saying on this blog – this is not true. Supporting gay people in Africa is a labour of love, and African lgbts who are out and openly trying to help their lgbt brothers and sisters are living in exile or seeking asylum and have virtually no income at all.

There is no need to let this claim stop you from supporting Changing Attitude or any of the other organisations who support lgbts in countries with draconian legislation againt them.

Cheryl Va.
13 years ago

I remember reading the question of choosing between two men.

One known to drink heavily and to have dalliances outside of marriage.

The other a certified teetotaller who never had any extramarital dalliances.

If you chose the former, you chose Winston Churchill, if you chose the latter you chose Adolf Hitler.

There were Klu Klux Klan members who did not do drugs, but they had no problem colluding to burn blacks on a cross.

Colin Coward
13 years ago

The opinions of both Archbishop Orombi and Dr Myers Lugemwa will confirm the prejudice of those who believe that Africans continue to demonstrate an ignorance and prejudice about science, biology, history and medical research, Biblical scholarship and human sexuality. Bishop Jack Spong was excoriated for having announced a similar opinion prior to the Lambeth Conference in 1998. The views of the archbishop and the doctor give credence to Jack Spong’s views as the bishops gather for Lambeth 2008. Changing Attitude knows that African thinking and scientific understanding can be wise and intelligent. We have met many lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender… Read more »

Ford Elms
Ford Elms
13 years ago

“They articulate ideas which are ignorant and prejudiced, to their shame and to the tragic disgrace of their churches.” Colin, I’ve asked this before, is this a cultural thing? Is there a need in Nigerian and Ugandan society for a leader in his position to exhibit this kind of bombast? I ask because, locally, at least, there are those for whom what is desirable in a leader is scrappiness, for want of a better word. It sometimes surprises Americans how much we Newfoundlanders expect of our government, for instance. The words “big government” connote a good thing here. A leader… Read more »

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