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JCF
15 years ago
“The working group considering what a covenant would look like has already made it clear that there would need to be an end to the blessing of same-sex relationships in church and no more ordinations of gay bishops. … Getting the Episcopal Church to meet its side of that bargain would be what’s known as “a big ask”. It would be reluctant to give up its independence or to compromise what many see as central to American Anglicanism.” From one (not asked) inches away from the bus-wheels running me over, here’s a “Big NO!” to the “Big Ask”. It’s not… Read more »
As Davis has been in Canterbury for the past few weeks, and now resides in England, I wonder why a World Service journalist has to report this, and not one of the many more local ones who seem to be desperate for copy.
Simon
Father Ron Smith
15 years ago
JCF, I’m inclined to agree with you. If the demands of the Windsor (Continuing) Process have already been stymied – by the Primates of the Global South already declaring they will not cease their illegal border-crossing in the USA and Canada – how could TEC and the Anglican Church of Canada be expected to resile from their prophetic and clearly-enunciated commitment to the recognition of women and gays in the ministry of their Church? Or does belief in the literal inerrancy of words in the Bible in some way trump the Gospel imperative of the Word-Made-Flesh in Christ? “The Word… Read more »
Ford Elms
15 years ago
“Or does belief in the literal inerrancy of words in the Bible in some way trump the Gospel imperative of the Word-Made-Flesh in Christ? “ The problem is that for many of them, it seems, the literal inerrency of words in the Bible IS the Gospel. THE Gospel is confused with the Gospels, and THE Word of God is redefined to mean the words of God in Scripture. One of the contestants on last season’s Survivor was an Evangelical who was very distressed that, despite being in a stunning natural environemt, she missed her Bible and felt she couldn’t “spend… Read more »
Father Ron Smith
15 years ago
Thank you, Ford, for that affirmastion of my feeling about the whole argument. The supremacy of the written word – over The Word-made-flesh in Christ – is probably one of the reasons why most Biblical Fundamentalists are rarely practising Sacramentalists. One such ‘Anglican’ community in my diocese omits even to mention the Sacrament of Holy Communion in it’s worship notices. What does that say, I wonder, about it’s view, and practise, of the presence of the Living Word of Christ, which he gave to us in the Eucharist, within the community of His Church?
Ford Elms
15 years ago
“What does that say, I wonder, about it’s view, and practise, of the presence of the Living Word of Christ, which he gave to us in the Eucharist, within the community of His Church?” I think it reveals a concreteness of thought and a discomfort with anything that cannot be measured, defined, or in some other way appreciated by the human mind. So, the Sacraments can be nothing more than memorials or public acts, or something. How can you prove God can be a piece of Bread? Look at the ridiculous argument that “This is My Body” can’t possibly mean… Read more »
“The working group considering what a covenant would look like has already made it clear that there would need to be an end to the blessing of same-sex relationships in church and no more ordinations of gay bishops. … Getting the Episcopal Church to meet its side of that bargain would be what’s known as “a big ask”. It would be reluctant to give up its independence or to compromise what many see as central to American Anglicanism.” From one (not asked) inches away from the bus-wheels running me over, here’s a “Big NO!” to the “Big Ask”. It’s not… Read more »
There is also this report on World Service BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7535533.stm
As Davis has been in Canterbury for the past few weeks, and now resides in England, I wonder why a World Service journalist has to report this, and not one of the many more local ones who seem to be desperate for copy.
Simon
JCF, I’m inclined to agree with you. If the demands of the Windsor (Continuing) Process have already been stymied – by the Primates of the Global South already declaring they will not cease their illegal border-crossing in the USA and Canada – how could TEC and the Anglican Church of Canada be expected to resile from their prophetic and clearly-enunciated commitment to the recognition of women and gays in the ministry of their Church? Or does belief in the literal inerrancy of words in the Bible in some way trump the Gospel imperative of the Word-Made-Flesh in Christ? “The Word… Read more »
“Or does belief in the literal inerrancy of words in the Bible in some way trump the Gospel imperative of the Word-Made-Flesh in Christ? “ The problem is that for many of them, it seems, the literal inerrency of words in the Bible IS the Gospel. THE Gospel is confused with the Gospels, and THE Word of God is redefined to mean the words of God in Scripture. One of the contestants on last season’s Survivor was an Evangelical who was very distressed that, despite being in a stunning natural environemt, she missed her Bible and felt she couldn’t “spend… Read more »
Thank you, Ford, for that affirmastion of my feeling about the whole argument. The supremacy of the written word – over The Word-made-flesh in Christ – is probably one of the reasons why most Biblical Fundamentalists are rarely practising Sacramentalists. One such ‘Anglican’ community in my diocese omits even to mention the Sacrament of Holy Communion in it’s worship notices. What does that say, I wonder, about it’s view, and practise, of the presence of the Living Word of Christ, which he gave to us in the Eucharist, within the community of His Church?
“What does that say, I wonder, about it’s view, and practise, of the presence of the Living Word of Christ, which he gave to us in the Eucharist, within the community of His Church?” I think it reveals a concreteness of thought and a discomfort with anything that cannot be measured, defined, or in some other way appreciated by the human mind. So, the Sacraments can be nothing more than memorials or public acts, or something. How can you prove God can be a piece of Bread? Look at the ridiculous argument that “This is My Body” can’t possibly mean… Read more »