Thinking Anglicans

Lambeth: Covenant or bust

Yesterday’s press conference was about the proposed Covenant. Here are the reports of that:

ENS Mary Frances Schjonberg Lambeth Conference begins two-day covenant discussion

Anglican Journal Marites Sison Lambeth seeks common ground in proposed covenant

ACNS Press Conference on Anglican Covenant: ‘We are on a pilgrimage together’ and the full audio recording of the press conference is here.

Jim Naughton has some background links and commentary at Live: softpeddaling the appendix.

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Cheryl Va.
12 years ago

TM “Only the devil is in a hurry” So if you don’t sign this covenant, then you must be aligned with the “evil one”. Gee, and I thought humanity existed within space and time and that there was a finite amount of fuel left. But don’t worry, TM’s Jesus is going to come down from the clouds with eyes blazing and clothes dripping blood to kill off all the infidel and take away all the “true” Christians. So they don’t have to worry about the death throes of an oil-dependent civilization, or how to avoid war and mass genocide, or… Read more »

Pat O'Neill
Pat O'Neill
12 years ago

“[Cameron]said Episcopalians who were skeptical of the two men’s intentions should “meet them yourselves, talk to them, tell them your concerns and then make a decision.”

He said he did not think that Gomez’s preaching at the Kenyan ordinations or Radner’s membership in the IRD “invalidated” the work they have contributed to the covenant.”

You will know them by their fruit. Grapes aren’t gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles, are they? [Matt. 7:16]

William R. Coats
William R. Coats
12 years ago

The purpose of Windsor and the Covenant has always been to rein in the US and Canada. If the US signs on soon the rulse will be broken and the mechanism employed to evict. This will set moderate diocese against liberal dioceses in the US. The same split will be present in Gen’l Convention when the Covenant will be voted on. Let us stop this idolatry called The Anglican Communion. It has now become in Paul’s word a principality giving life neither to gays and lesbvians nor to the whole church. It is best now to refuse the Covenant and… Read more »

drdanfee
drdanfee
12 years ago

Yes the covenant searches for policing and punishment as keys to the kingdom, and then we shall have a feast together, all like-minded as Anglicans. (Or at least we shall be afraid enough of somebody ratting us out to the new Anglican police that we know when to shut up at all the proper tea parties.) It is a bad deal, no thanks. Stuff like this never helped form my real adult ethical conscience, so why should I start letting it narrow and demean the best efforts I can manage in daily life – at work, in service, in lived… Read more »

Cynthia Gilliatt
Cynthia Gilliatt
12 years ago

At the risk of repeating myself, I will ask on this thread also if anyone can cite a source other than African Anglican bishops for the consecration of +Gene inciting anti-Christian Islamic violence. I’d take something cited to an Islamic leader by NYTimes, WPost, AP, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, BBC, Christian Science Monitor.

Where is independent evidence for this?

Has anyone offered it at Lambeth?

Just a little reality check.

Father Ron Smith
Father Ron Smith
12 years ago

Reflecting on the Covenant idea; could it not be that the covenantal relationship could embrace the differences of theological viewpoints within the parameters of a common discipleship to Christ?

If we really wanted to stay together as Anglicans there should be a way to proceed that could unite us. It seems that the main stumbling block is the variety of interpretations of the Scriptures. So what’s different? Even Jesus had that problem.

Göran Koch-Swahne
12 years ago

“I will ask on this thread also if anyone can cite a source other than African Anglican bishops for the consecration of +Gene inciting anti-Christian Islamic violence.”

Typical Gaffecon propaganda, I’d say.

Remember the Nigerian legislation last year. It failed because it didn’t have the numbers in Parliament claimed.

Treebeard
Treebeard
12 years ago

Not to my knowledge. ‘At the risk of repeating myself, I will ask on this thread also if anyone can cite a source other than African Anglican bishops for the consecration of +Gene inciting anti-Christian Islamic violence. I’d take something cited to an Islamic leader by NYTimes, WPost, AP, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, BBC, Christian Science Monitor. Where is independent evidence for this? Has anyone offered it at Lambeth? Just a little reality check. Posted by: Cynthia Gilliatt on Sunday, 3 August 2008 at 1:56am An excellent point. These reality checks are vital to combat the wooly thinking and the… Read more »

Robert Ian Williams
Robert Ian Williams
12 years ago

Why can’t you just adopt the Gafcon attitude…sign up to the Covenant , but ignore the strictures..after all Gafcon do not discipline signatory biships who are in open defiance of the 39 Articles!

Ford Elms
Ford Elms
12 years ago

“Why can’t you just adopt the Gafcon attitude”

Because it’s heretical? They haven’t declared themselves Monophysites, Monothelites, or Nestorians, but they clearly belong to one of those groups, given their recent statements at Jerusalem. I am an Anglo-catholic, Athanasian, Trinitarian, whatever. I don’t want any of GAFCON’s innovations, not their implied espousal of ancient heresies. Gimme that old time religion!

Father Ron Smith
Father Ron Smith
12 years ago

I’m afraid I’m rather with you, Ford. I’m not sure that I could live with the restrictions of the Global South Contingency, should they decide to sign up to the proposed inhibitions against piracy into other people’s territory. I, too, am A.C. – not dyed-in-the-wool, but dead to bigotry.

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