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interview with Archbishop Akinola

Third Way has published an interview with Archbishop Peter Akinola. It was conducted by Joel Edwards.

The title given it by the magazine is Solid as a rock.

There is also a news report in the Church Times by Pat Ashworth titled Akinola criticises West for cultural laxity and timidity.

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Fr Mark
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Fr Mark

When Nigerian society has got things right, we will all stand back in admiration. Until then, it’s probably best for its religious leaders to concentrate on helping to improve it. I am only aware of many Nigerian immigrants seeking to move to our “godless” European societies: I don’t think there is yet much of a pull in the other direction, is there? And since when is the Anglican Primate of Nigeria “spiritual father of the nation” anyway? I thought its population contained at least as many Muslims and Roman Catholics as Anglicans (but am open to correction from any of… Read more »

Steven
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Steven

Solid as a Rock.

Pluralist
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It’s what is called underarm bowling – questions he can hit out of the ground every time.

Here’s his best bit:

My problem is not the Muslim. My problem is not the non-Christian. My problem is the Christian.

JCF
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JCF

“And I’ll keep on being a conservative, because there is no other name given under heaven by which Man shall be saved.”

Anathema.

Lord have mercy!

[NB: in a lengthy interview, while he’s dodging questions and speaking about “Akinola” in the third-person, he utters the word “love” precisely *once*]

susan hedges
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susan hedges

Well, _he_ has 6 children… Not once does he mention who gave birth to them. I know that’s not as important as his other pronouncements, but it bugs me.

I agree with Fr. Mark. Splinter – plank.

drdanfee
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drdanfee

Poor Akinola, he thinks he is doing nothing but God’s work by proclaiming how holier than the rest of us he is, so humbly claiming at the same time, I am nobody. Isn’t he a model father in nearly every way mentioned in the conversation? But the queer folks Akinola would punish or imprison or leave unprotected in Nigerian highways or byways are real people, and all this self-regard is radio wave static compared to their real well-being as humans, as citizens, as believers. Akinola cannot see that queer folks are – humans, citizens, believers. Obviously. The brazenness Akinola still… Read more »

Ben W
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Ben W

JCF,

Before you jump so far you might check to see if you anything to land on!

Clear if you read Peter A closely, it is Jesus Christ that is the one name in which humans are to be saved. This is the heart for Peter A of the gospel and this the heart of being “conservative.”

Will you then curse what the NT in so many words affirms? (Acts 4:12).

Ben W

BillyD
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BillyD

The archbishop really gets exercised over shirtless men sitting by the side of the road playing the guitar? What a wonderful Victorian Evangelical…

Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

“You have to bear in mind that each primate, each bishop is an authority in his own right, with his own jurisdiction, and for him to submit to your leadership he must be given due respect. And so you consult with him, you share with him, you don’t dictate to him and so you achieve results.” – Archibshop Peter Akinola – And what, precisely, is the result of this humble ‘leadership’ of his fellow bishops in Africa and elsewhere? – An act of potential schism that is rocking the rest of the Anglican Communion around the world. What I do… Read more »

kieran crichton
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kieran crichton

Akinola is fast becoming the Idi Amin of the Anglican world.

I wonder when he’ll start declaring himself the last King of Scotland.

JCF
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JCF

“Clear if you read Peter A closely, it is Jesus Christ that is the one name in which humans are to be saved. This is the heart for Peter A of the gospel and this the heart of being “conservative.””

But we aren’t saved by a name: we’re saved by a divine Person, Jesus Christ. I’m not at all sure that Pete’s “conservative” lord is one and the same Nazarean Carpenter: Prince of Peace, and Lord of Love. It doesn’t seem like it, to me.

[And please don’t patronize me, Ben W. I have my interpretation, you have yours. JCF.]

Malcolm+
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The correct term, in case anyone was wondering, is “puff piece.”

stephen bates
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stephen bates

For someone who spends so much time in England and the US, presumably at other people’s expense rather than his own, the good archbishop seems remarkably ignorant about the Church and society in these countries (and Joel Edwards, that paragon of Equal Opportunities, clearly, was not going to enlighten him). It must be wonderful to be so humble and yet so superior. But then, of course, Archbishop Akinola spends so little time with those who might disagree with him, or question his views, or who would have the temerity to tell him that he might be less than a beacon… Read more »

Ford Elms
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Ford Elms

“This is the heart for Peter A of the gospel and this the heart of being “conservative.””

It’s also at the heart of being “liberal” Ben. Why keep denying that? Even Don Harvey has said that he believes non-Christians can be saved, at least he said so once in a sermon at our parish when he was still a bishop in the ACoC.

Ford Elms
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Ford Elms

What’s interesting is that conservatives will read this as a firm solid statement of faith and staunch defence of Christian principles. Liberals will read it as arrogance and false modesty. I tend to fall into the latter group, but I do see truth on some of what he says. All the same, it is funny how selective is his denunciation of the effects of colonialism. Africans can only be corrupt if there is a Westerner pulling the strings?! And then there is the required denunciation of the West as apostate, immoral, far gone from God, yadda yadda yadda. I’d call… Read more »

Nom de Plume
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Nom de Plume

Stephen Bates “…Archbishop Akinola spends so little time with those who might disagree with him, or question his views, or who would have the temerity to tell him that he might be less than a beacon to the world himself.” And this, surely, is the problem with the Global South / Gafcon / Common Cause / Network alphabet soup of dissidents, that they are currently listening only to themselves and their own propaganda. Their followers are fed nothing but spin and they have no reason to believe anything else. This is the tragedy of any sectarian movement, of course. It… Read more »

Robert Ian Williams
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Robert Ian Williams

Remember it was the blacks of West Africa who sold the slaves to the European and Arab slave traders.

Ben W
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Ben W

JCF, I am not interested in patronizing but I am interested in what is the case. It is the case that Acts 4:12 affirms Jesus Christ as the one through whom salvation comes. When you were baptized were you baptized “in the name of the . . .” ? What was that about? If you had studied this use of “the name” in scripture you would know that “the name” in this context stands for person. So if you knew what you were saying you were cursing Christ! Of course for you this is all a matter of “you have… Read more »

Ben W
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Ben W

RIW,

Is it possible to deal with real issues? Talk about “anything goes” (if there are specific things against the bishop put them on the table but not this empty rhetoric!), now Peter A can be equated with those who brutally took people and delivered them to slave traders and that is OK with you? What did we get in an earlier time? “If you tell a lie out there and people find it difficult, tell a biger one!”

Ben W

Cheryl Va.
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Norm de Plume You said what I wanted to about sect leaders. Sect leaders believe that only members of their sect are saved, and eveyone else is condemned to death and/or eternal suffering. Apparently this version of Christianity is more harsh on other Christians than on other faiths, reminding me of hard-lined religions who are particularly aggressive against apostates. So when we pray for the persecuted churches, shall we include Christian mystics, acknowledgers of the feminine, and/or Christian liberals in our prayers? If not, then we are hypocrites to complain about how Christians are persecuted by other faiths. I don’t… Read more »

orfanum
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orfanum

We in the west can sometimes justly be accused of clinging to a universalism that has often been simply an extension of our own cultural background and baggage. However, It just does not ring true in my experience of them that conservative Africans (and conservative Asians) are themselves able fully to rid themselves of cultural specificity in the way that Akinola aspires to. Quite the opposite: there is a fierce fixation on the experience of colonization which seems to mean two things at once: an impassioned defensiveness of their particular post-colonial positions, yet a harking back to how things were… Read more »

Erika Baker
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Erika Baker

“if there are specific things against the bishop put them on the table but not this empty rhetoric!” What about the massacre of 650 muslims in Yelwa by Christians in 2004? Asked about his involvement in this, Akinola replied “no comment”. And the law he personally tried to push through parliament last year, that would have criminalised “public supporters” of homosexuals, a supporter being defined as anyone being seen out with a known gay. For this crime, the supporter could have ended up in prison for up to 7 years. The law was defeated because of strong Muslim opposition. Can… Read more »

Ford Elms
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Ford Elms

“Yes, some do, but on the whole, the Chinese (and Indians, now) are welcomed because they do not harp on about ‘human rights’.” Do you get the feeling that for some people colonialism is something only white people do, like for some feminists violence is something only men do? For some of us, and I say ‘us’ advisedly, since I fall prey to it, it’s a natural result of clearly delineating the enemy. “yet in Nigeria, on the matter of corruption, well, what can Akinola do but proclaim the Word – alas, the Church cannot act as a law-enforcement agency… Read more »

Merseymike
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Merseymike

I think Akinola generally reflects the corrupt country from which he comes and whose government he slavishly supports.

I agree with him on virtually nothing, and when people want to go and live in his basket case of a country, perhaps he will be in a place to criticise mine.

Joan of Quark
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Joan of Quark

The standout phrase for me was when he was talking about how the ‘modern trendy liberals’ will no longer allow anyone to discipline their children: “You cannot even cane him.” Having discovered in some salacious trial coverage a few months ago that it’s illegal to cane a consenting adult because of the inevitable physical injuries, I’m wondering how come this fantastic teacher fears he and his fellow Christians will be unable to get through to their errant children without doing such damage? I had the benefit of a Proverbs 13:24 type upbringing and it only took me thirty years to… Read more »

Ford Elms
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Ford Elms

“I’m wondering how come this fantastic teacher fears he and his fellow Christians will be unable to get through to their errant children without doing such damage?” Because punishment and the fear of punishment are the only motivators for good behaviour in their eyes. That’s why he needs to “love” gay people “more than that” by jailing not only us but those who support us. He feels we must change our behaviour, but he can’t think that acceptance of us as human beings first must precede any kind of ‘metanoia’. For me, the contrast between this attitude and that of… Read more »