Thinking Anglicans

more reports on Wheaton

Updated again Saturday morning

The Los Angeles Times has Episcopal Church leader says those who defected ‘are no longer Episcopalians’ by Duke Helfand

Update There is an additional article: Split in Episcopal Church hits new level

The Washington Post has A Worldwide Anglican Melee by Jacqueline L. Salmon and Michelle Boorstein

The Toronto Star has Anglicans formalize split by Stuart Laidlaw

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has Episcopalian churches in Georgia may join new Anglican group by Christopher Quinn

Religion News Service has What’s ahead for the fractured Episcopal Church? by Daniel Burke

Christianity Today has Conservative Anglicans Create Rival Church by Timothy Morgan

Jim Naughton at Episcopal Café has 100,000? We think not and he also has some critique of other coverage here and also here.

Updates

The Living Church has at last published a report, Provisional Structure Unveiled for New Province.

Stand Firm has published a note: Clarifying the Role of the AAC in the New Province.

The Anglican Journal has Anglican Church in North America: new church or new province?

Christian Today has GAFCON Primates to meet Archbishop over US split

The New York Times has yet another article, Conservative Anglicans Vow to Press Ahead With Split by Laurie Goodstein.

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It just has to play out, pretty much as IRD and others laid out together in the Chapman Memo – except of course for the two constant dire predictions that (1) the rest of us will not understand what is really happening until after the new conservative believers have locked everything up in their own special godly favor, plus (2) the rest of us are so inconsequential that we are doomed to fade away so far as following Jesus, common prayer, witness, and service goes. Like many other USA-type extreme conservative initiatives, this one may reveal itself by playing its… Read more »

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Linked via Naughton is a streaming video of Q&A with KJS at a parish talk in Florida. Interesting, I really like this fine lady, thank goodness, thank God.

See: http://www.episcopalswfl.org/news/article162319c1657813.htm

John Sandeman
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John Sandeman

I wonder if the insistance that “churches/dioceses can’t leave TEC, only individuals” has caused the progressive side difficulty. While this description is true technically perhaps as a matter of canon law, a journalist confronted by groups of ex-TEC people meeting together has to find words to describe the process. So they use phrases like “dioceses/churches that have left TEC” that upset progressives. By insisting on rhetoric that makes it hard to describe what is going on, those who speak for TEC have surrendered the general media to the conservatives. It is a case of politically correctness getting in the way… Read more »

bls
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It is absolutely hilarious – and I can only imagine how funny it’ll be in 200 years – that the Great Episcopal/Anglican Schism occurred because of homosexuality.

The so-called “orthodox” can deny it all they like – and point to the “heresy” of the Episcopal Church – but the fact remains that it wasn’t until gay folks came along that the so-called “orthodox” realized they had to get OUTTA HERE, pronto.

Heh.

JCF
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JCF

2+2=4, and “they’re no longer Episcopalians” {*}: God bless our clear-speaking Presiding Bishop! 😀

{*} They just need to change their institutional residences, to reflect that fact.

Robert Ian Williams
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Robert Ian Williams

Yes they use Mathematical calculation very like the excellent two minute sketch on Youtube, called bailout explained… Its worth watching…its the black and white picture that comes up.

If there were 100,000 ..12,000 are Reformed Episcopalians.. never Anglican.

For instance Anglican Mainstream gives the number of communicant Anglicans in Wales as the figure foir Wales.. when there are an estimated miillion baptized. They do the same with New Zealand….Yet 17 million is given for Nigeria, and not even 10 million of these go on a regular basis.

As George Bernard Shaw said, ” There are lies, damned lies and statistics. “

Malcolm+
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I think John Sandeman’s observations about language are correct – that an insistence on technicalities has handed an advantage to those seeking to play up the schism.

However, the fact that 815 has apparently decimated its communications function has aggravated this significantly.

Prior Aelred
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Malcolm+ — You may well be right, but the congregational presuppositions of Americans whose ancestors came to the New World to escape the tyranny of the Church of England (to establish their own religious tyrannies, of course) must certainly play a part. The Roman Catholic & Eastern Orthodox Churches are indisputably hierarchical, yet Americans don’t understand why a congregation can’t chose to go its own way (admittedly, the Orthodox DO change jurisdictions, so there’s that).

Obadiah Slope — you know your disclaimer sounds remarkably like, “You know I’d be the last to say anything, but …”

Malcolm+
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Doubtless so, Prior. Yet the courts generally seem to have favoured the hierarchical churches over the schismatical congregations.

In any event, it is wildly irresponsible to reduce investment in the communications function during a time of crisis or controversy.

Prior Aelred
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Malcolm+ The courts don’t want to get involved in internal religious matters ( there are constitutional issues, after all) & have more sense than the “conventional wisdom” (plebicites are usually NOT a good idea — getting close to mob rule) — as to the latter — I couldn’t agree more! Effective communication at a time of crisis would seem to be a jolly good idea! About numbers — it isn’t really about numbers, but it is supposedly true that for any group above a certain size, there are always going to be around 5% who are going to be unhappy… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

“Because some TEC bishops are hostile to members or congregations joining or remaining a part of the AAC because of our clear stand against the increasing heterodoxy of the Episcopal Church, a new type of membership is available, called “In Pectore,” which means in the heart.” This statement by ‘Bishop Anderson’ of ACNA, seems to emanate from the world of Alice in Wonderland – if he thinks that TEC can or ought to co-exist with the newly inaugurated ‘Province of Cana in north America. As the Presiding Bishop of TEC, the Rt. Revd, Katherine Jefforts-Schori has already intimated, such a… Read more »

Ford Elms
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Ford Elms

“some TEC bishops are hostile to members or congregations joining or remaining a part of the AAC because of our clear stand against the increasing heterodoxy of the Episcopal Church”

You know, I wish these people would either produce evidence of this or stop misleading people. I think I’ll start stories about Canadians being persecuted by people from Timbuktu. Who knows, maybe it’ll finally solve the national unity issue.