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Ugandan bishops know where they stand

The Daily Monitor reports, Anglican Church is broken, says Orombi:

The Archbishop of the Church of Uganda, Henry Luke Orombi, yesterday said the Anglican Church today faces many challenges which have made it dysfunctional.

“What I can tell you is that the Anglican Church is very broken,” Bishop Orombi said.
“It (church) has been torn at its deepest level, and it is a very dysfunctional family of the provincial churches. It is very sad for me to see how far down the church has gone.”
Speaking at the opening of a three-day provincial Assembly in Mukono, the head of the Church of Uganda noted that the church has lost credibility.

He proposed that the Church of Uganda engages church structures at a very minimal level until godly faith and order have been restored. “I can assure you that we have tried as a church to participate in the processes, but they are dominated by western elites, whose main interest is advancing a vision of Anglicanism that we do not know or recognise. We are a voice crying in the wilderness,” he said at the Church’s top assembly that convenes every two years…

And, according to Icebreakers Uganda in Anglican Bishop in Uganda Vow to Confront Bishop Rowan Williams of Canterbury (H/T this report from Changing Attitude):

In a move to reaffirm their opposition to gay rights and gay acceptance in the Anglican church of Uganda, Bishops from all over the country sitting at Mukono vowed to confront the arch-bishop of Canterbury over his stand on homosexuality and gay Bishops serving in the church.

They promised to let him know where they stand with him and also make it clear that they will never agree with him on the issue of homosexuals in the church.

During the meeting, the arch-Bishop of the church of Uganda said they would not break away from Canterbury but would not cooperate with it until after arch-Bishop Rowan Williams has changed his stance on homosexuality in the church or left the position of arch-Bishop…

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Father Ron Smith
Father Ron Smith
10 years ago

Orombi’s remarks show clearly that he is simply out of touch with other, more progressive, parts of the Anglican Communion he here accuses of falling short of his expectations for the Church. He speaks of not agreeing with Archbishop Rowan’s stance on homosexuality; when Rowan probably doesn’t even know where he stands himself. This crass attempt to bring Rowan and the other Provinces of the Communion into line with Uganda’s standing on homosexuality betrays a pitiable ignorance of the modern world in general, and of the diversity of human sexuality and gender complexities within the scientific world’s discovery of new… Read more »

Leonardo Ricardo
10 years ago

Archbishop Orombi is amongst those who threw the dishes on the floor and fled from the upper dining room chamber as Anglicans were still at the Communion Table…he has refused, and refuses, to cooperate by respecting the ¨will¨ and ¨real properties¨ of other Anglicans/Episcopalians Provinces elsewhere in the Anglican World. What´s new? Bishop Henry, his Uganda HOB´s and the Nigerian Bishops boycotted the last Lambeth Conference. Henry personally has refused to take Communion with all his esteemed fellow Primates…there is nothing new here. Currently Orombi is ¨pouting¨ after being a destructionist turned obstructionist and now champions himself as a betrayed… Read more »

Bill Dilworth
10 years ago

Since ++Cantuar’s position on consecrating gay bishops seems to be “I’m against it until everyone else in the Anglican Communion is for it,” I’m not sure why it attracts so much hostility from +Orombi.

Clive
Clive
10 years ago

Fr. Ron: Ah don’t you miss the old days, when you could have just called a spade a spade? Those ignorant savages, eh? 🙂

Andrew
Andrew
10 years ago

“…engage church structures at a very minimal level…”
This is an excellent idea, and will be a substantial improvement over the meddling that he and his cohorts have done in the past years. If he goes about his business in Uganda, and the rest of us go about ours, including the many attachments the Episcopal Church has around the world, not least in Africa, that will give everyone time to learn to be more kind, loving and Christ-like, which is, after all, the real goal.

JCF
JCF
10 years ago

“the Anglican Church is very broken”

…said the bull in the china shop.

drdanfee
drdanfee
10 years ago

I guess we will soon have UTube vids of Orombi confronting Rowan Williams about his supposed folly, coddling those queer folks about whom Orombi is so deeply and negatively exercised, and about whom Orombi presumably knows nothing or little, in face to face real life or in real church life. Meanwhile, I guess that Rowan can expect a good solid Ugandan dose of the closed and finalized prejudice and the sharp intimations of brutely antigay violence which he claims to formally and utterly abjure – on behalf of all Anglicans, everywhere? I doubt that such a confrontation, even if podded… Read more »

TBL
TBL
10 years ago

This week CAPA is meeting in Entebbe. Virtue On-line has posted a loved picture of the very fine resort hotel where these CAPA (Council of Anglican Provinces of Africa) bishops will assemble. The tab is being picked up by TEC parish Trinity Wall Street and the accommodations look grand. +Orombi, however, has made a strong statement of refusal when it comes to the Ugandan church’s acceptance of any TEC tainted money and, true, the grant was made to CAPA whose offices are in Nairobi. But it is the Ugandan church that is hosting this group. It is the Ugandan church’s… Read more »

MarkBrunson
10 years ago

Look, Clive, the guy is ignorant.

I don’t know how savage he is but ignorance is what he simply radiates, revels in and worships. What? Because he’s African different rules of human decency and sanity apply? Are you saying that because they’re dirty Third-Worlders they *can’t be held to our higher morality?*

See. The racism canard can be thrown around easily.

Why not deal with the reality rather than your clumsy attempts to derail the conversation into nonsensical accusations?

JCF
JCF
10 years ago

@Clive: judging Orombi is above my paygrade. He has, however, said some very hateful things (towards the “least of” his brothers and sisters), and been very destructive to the Anglican Communion.

Conversely, I’m happy to proclaim the *wisdom and sanctity* of Desmond Tutu.

Both men are black and African.

And their color and ethnicity are equally IRRELEVANT to their characters.

Father Ron Smith
Father Ron Smith
10 years ago

Clive, my remarks about the lack of any human development module in theological education in certain African Provinces was directed mostly toward Abp. Orombi’s own Province of Uganda. His support for the Ugandan Government’s persecution of homosexuals only serves to back up the fact that Uganda – and certain other African Provinces allied to the Global South conglomerate – do not consider the fruits of modern scientific research on sexuality and gender to be at all acceptable to Christians anywhere and therefore unacceptable as having any bearing on Christian formation in theological colleges. JCF very clearly iterates my own point… Read more »

Laurence Roberts
Laurence Roberts
10 years ago

a loved picture of the very fine resort hotel where these CAPA (Council of Anglican Provinces of Africa) bishops will assemble. The tab is being picked up by TEC parish Trinity Wall Street and the accommodations look grand’

Have the days when residential christian meetings took place in retreat houses, convents and monasteries gone ?

Sounds pretty secular to me , and not particularly steeped in prayer.

Andrew
Andrew
10 years ago

“…they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”
–The Rev Dr Martin Luther King, Jr.

Leonardo Ricardo
10 years ago

“…they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” –The Rev Dr Martin Luther King, Jr. Thank you Andrew, good point. Unfortunately when a LGBTI person comes in ¨all colors¨ this important ¨character content¨ issue is forgotten…just ask Bishop Orombi, his HOB´s and many of the African Bishops meeting THIS WEEK at Entebbe, Uganda (along with a seemingly passive/agressive ABC and Lord of York)…the REAL ISSUE is now, and always has been, REAL PERSONAL CHARACTER and unfortunately/fortunately many of the Global South Bishops allow us to see their Christianlike pedigree is… Read more »

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