Martine Oborne is worried in case a woman wanders into one of the 500 churches which deny female ordination when there are 12500 parishes which don’t. All churches in Catholic and Orthodox Christendom subscribe to the same position as the tiny minority of CofE parishes which uphold an historical view of ordained ministry. Why is she obsessed with the small number of Anglicans who subscribe to the same beliefs as the vast majority of Christians? Demanding the removal of a tiny minority in the CofE is intolerant and unchristian and displays an intolerance she pretends not to have.
The problem is that she discerns the discrimination and prejudice later, when it is much more costly and painful to leave. But if she stays, that is costly and painful too.
It’s a mistake to assume that because the official line of the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches is that women cannot be ordained, all their members have the same view. They don’t.
aljbri
15 hours ago
The Sewell/Billenness report is hard reading and I am most grateful for their persistence. What I find myself wondering is where the ‘establishment players’ in this saga think it will end. A glorious apotheosis for the CofE? I don’t suppose any of them are much bothered. This is tedious ‘small people’ stuff. But the ‘arc of history…’
And it has culminated in Martin Sewell’s resignation from Synod …So who is left to champion safeguarding? Is it too much to hope the Charity Commission might wake from slumber? Or could it be referred to the police if sums of money have been ‘mislaid’?
It seems that nobody is allowed to champion safeguarding. Synod closes them down as soon as they begin to speak. That is the reason Gavin Drake walked out of a Synod meeting. Just think of the excellent support of safeguarding offered by Martin Sewell, Clive Billinness and others, all lost to a fair hearing because of ‘moving on to next business’.
I am sure now these things have come into light more can be done from outside Synod.
Martine Oborne is worried in case a woman wanders into one of the 500 churches which deny female ordination when there are 12500 parishes which don’t. All churches in Catholic and Orthodox Christendom subscribe to the same position as the tiny minority of CofE parishes which uphold an historical view of ordained ministry. Why is she obsessed with the small number of Anglicans who subscribe to the same beliefs as the vast majority of Christians? Demanding the removal of a tiny minority in the CofE is intolerant and unchristian and displays an intolerance she pretends not to have.
The problem is not that these churches exist, but that they are not transparent about their views
If a woman attended such a Church and wasn’t able to discern any discrimination or prejudice, what is the problem?
The problem is that she discerns the discrimination and prejudice later, when it is much more costly and painful to leave. But if she stays, that is costly and painful too.
It’s a mistake to assume that because the official line of the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches is that women cannot be ordained, all their members have the same view. They don’t.
The Sewell/Billenness report is hard reading and I am most grateful for their persistence. What I find myself wondering is where the ‘establishment players’ in this saga think it will end. A glorious apotheosis for the CofE? I don’t suppose any of them are much bothered. This is tedious ‘small people’ stuff. But the ‘arc of history…’
And it has culminated in Martin Sewell’s resignation from Synod …So who is left to champion safeguarding? Is it too much to hope the Charity Commission might wake from slumber? Or could it be referred to the police if sums of money have been ‘mislaid’?
It seems that nobody is allowed to champion safeguarding. Synod closes them down as soon as they begin to speak. That is the reason Gavin Drake walked out of a Synod meeting. Just think of the excellent support of safeguarding offered by Martin Sewell, Clive Billinness and others, all lost to a fair hearing because of ‘moving on to next business’.
I am sure now these things have come into light more can be done from outside Synod.