Thinking Anglicans

Opinion – 23 July 2025

Helen King ViaMedia.News Jagged Edges: Where Safeguarding Overlaps with the Trust Deficit

Martin Gorick The Observer By reforming its position on sexuality of clergy, Church of England welcomes everyone

Richard Scorer Surviving Church The Matt Drapper Settlement. Damages awarded to plaintiff in ‘exorcism’ case.

Helen King ViaMedia.News July 2025 General Synod: money talks

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Froghole
Froghole
6 hours ago

Professor King notes in her second piece that in Oxford diocese some benefices have been in interregnum for two years. If it is any reassurance, I have been around many dioceses where vacancies have continued for *far* longer, or have simply been left vacant indefinitely with scant likelihood of any appointments being made. For example, at Great Stourton in Lincoln diocese, I was informed that the benefice had been vacant since the turn of the century, with absolutely no prospect of any appointment being made. She also notes that “Requests to have an extra agenda item on the Middle East… Read more »

Helen King
Helen King
Reply to  Froghole
6 hours ago

Thanks Froghole. Opinions were divided over whether or not it would be useful to have a debate on the Middle East. It could have become a complete embarrassment; outside the C of E I have met Christians who think the conflict there is a sign of The Rapture approaching and so welcome it, and who knows? Perhaps there are members of the Synod who think that? It never fails to surprise me what my fellow members think about history, science, psychology… I remember at a previous York meeting hearing a speech about how there isn’t a climate emergency. One could… Read more »

Froghole
Froghole
Reply to  Helen King
4 hours ago

Thank you very much for your reply. If a debate had occurred then it would surely have been right for those holding views ‘against the current’ to air them. It would then have exposed the toxins which may exist within the Church to public scrutiny. It might indeed have forced such people to confront the moral implications of such deranged views. If there are people within the Church who cleave to premillennial dispensationalism (which itself has dire implications for a certain group resident in the Holy Land if it fails to convert to Christianity prior to the ‘rapture’) then such… Read more »

Nigel Goodwin
Nigel Goodwin
Reply to  Froghole
3 hours ago

I tend to agree that the church ought to make a clear position regarding Gaza. Whether it makes any practical difference is open to debate, but David Lammy seems to be making strong statements. My worry is that uninformed or naive statements are made, or statements which are so anodym that they are mere words. Or they are calls for this or calls for that which are only useful for self congratulation. I found Stephen Flynn’s behaviour in the HoC utterly reprehensible, it was only to bolster the SNP.. Which leads me to – if the CoE spoke authoritatvely and… Read more »

Fr Andrew
Fr Andrew
4 hours ago

Helen King reports Synod was told ‘ ‘in churches where they prayed for half an hour a week for growth, there was a 6 per cent annual rise in attendance’. I presume there were control groups in whichever study this comes from: one set praying for growth 15 minutes a week, one set not praying for growth, and, just out of interest, one set praying for the roof to be fixed. Difficult to know without a data set if 6% is statistically significant but I’m pretty sure the people reporting the results didn’t know either. Was this serious? Have they read… Read more »

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Surrealist
Surrealist
Reply to  Fr Andrew
3 hours ago

Well…I’m not going to argue that there’s a causality at work here in some kind of direct mechanistic sense. But…I wonder if there’s a correlation between communities which A. have a broad sense of conviction about the power of prayer, and B. the commitment to get on and do it, and C. the phenomenology of being active, intentional and attractive enough as communities to welcome and integrate new members. I’m pretty sure that there may well be a causal connection between A. Churches not being intentional about witness and evangelism, B. Not praying about it and C. finding that the… Read more »

Nigel Goodwin
Nigel Goodwin
Reply to  Fr Andrew
2 hours ago

as something of a statistician, I agree! confounding is another problem. Ever seen the story of beer and diapers? https://tdwi.org/articles/2016/11/15/beer-and-diapers-impossible-correlation.aspx i do not believe any story which uses statistics until I can read the original work and evaluate whether proper statistical procedures have been used. Take recent reports about maternity care and ethnic minorities. Is it the colour of the skin? Or poverty? Or health? Or diet? Or propensity to issues like diabetes? Brown skin or black skin? or the hospital? Or location of hospital? I do not disbelieve the idea that those with black (or brown) skin rceive worse… Read more »

Vivienne (Churchwarden)
Vivienne (Churchwarden)
4 hours ago

I spent my Saturday (12th July) watching the Synod live stream on YouTube, following the debate on the Bishop of Hereford’s proposal. I then spent Sunday in despair at the pearl-clutching and ladder-pulling-up attitude of those who already benefit from the system and who were unwilling to trust that Parishes know what works best for the grass roots. People aren’t coming into ministry because the jobs at the end of it are generally only part-time, poorly funded yet with the massive responsibilities of multi-parish benefices and communities who expect them there 24/7. All the time Dioceses are denied the funding… Read more »

Fr Dean
Fr Dean
Reply to  Vivienne (Churchwarden)
3 hours ago

Vivienne you summarise the situation beautifully. The thing that I found so dispiriting about ministry was the way the hierarchy tried to infantilise me as a man in my fifties. I was expected to swallow some absurdly silly mission initiatives without question. The CofE’s problem is not just about recruitment but also one of retention.

I had the temerity to ask about the rate of suicide among the clergy; there was an emphatic ‘nothing to see here, move along’.

Fr Dean
Fr Dean
3 hours ago

Bishop Gorick misrepresents the nature of ‘welcome’ for LGBTQ+ people. It’ll take an awful lot more to make queer people feel welcome in the CofE. There’s a certain hubris in speaking for a community that he doesn’t identify as belonging to.

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