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Opinion – 27 February 2021

Nikki Groarke ViaMedia.News Change is Coming…Even if We Feel the Record is Stuck

Anonymous Surviving Church Nuremberg at 75: Trials and Tribulations

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Richard W. Symonds
Richard W. Symonds
7 months ago

RE: ‘Anonymous’ – “Nuremberg at 75: Trials and Tribulations” – ‘Surviving Church’ – February 26 2021 “One of the little known facts about the rise of early Nazism relates to the professions that were most represented in the rank and file of the party and movement. By several furlongs, the answer is: academics at German universities and colleges. You may think that is shocking enough. But be prepared for the after-shock: many academics were also members of the clergy. Why and how, you may ask, could this be so? After all, the Nuremberg trials revealed horrific war crimes on a scale not witnessed… Read more »

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Richard W. Symonds
Richard W. Symonds
Reply to  Richard W. Symonds
7 months ago

After this answer by the Secretary General to the following question at General Synod, I grow in the conviction the Bishops should lead the way in scrapping Church of England Core Groups with immediate effect: Mr David Lamming (St Edmundsbury & Ipswich) Q25 In answer to a supplementary question from me in July 2020 relating to Q.20, the Bishop of Huddersfield, Dr Jonathan Gibbs, stated “the NST is currently reviewing the functioning of core groups with a view to revising the guidance and clarifying their operation,” and in answer to a supplementary question by Mrs Kathryn Tucker (Q.23) he said… Read more »

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Kate
Kate
7 months ago

I submitted a safeguarding complaint about the CEEC Beautiful Story video months ago. Had I seen it as a teenager, I would have attempted suicide. I was honest about that. I don’t believe I was uniquely vulnerable, although I pray I am. The video represented a real danger to vulnerable people, especially teenagers. Canon Butler said   “I am already hearing of clergy being signed-off sick thanks to actions of CEEC and Christian Concern.”   https://www.viamedia.news/2020/12/04/llf-history-repeating-itself-the-beautiful-story/   You would think someone would do something. Maybe even just make the video 18+ only or add a trigger warning. Instead I am… Read more »

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Michael
Michael
Reply to  Kate
7 months ago

Kate I share your frustration and anger. You, I, and many others can see the risks. But those who could help and do something, do nothing. Every bishop is responsible but how many are taking responsibility? As Anonymous wrote This is where I struggle with the Church of England, NST and safeguarding. I see only captives and the oppressed. I see no sign of any liberators. I cannot name a Diocesan Bishop who has, so far, acted with moral courage, or acted with any moral agency to call out the abuses. I see only process: just our numbed mitred-ones, “only obeying orders”. The… Read more »

Jill Armstead
Jill Armstead
7 months ago

I apologise for the discourtesy, but is Ms Groarke away with the fairies? This is one of those articles that invites the question ‘And your point is’?

Stanley Monkhouse
Reply to  Jill Armstead
7 months ago

Motherhood and apple pie. Not a singe coherent proposal for action. She’ll be a bishop soon.

Kate
Kate
Reply to  Jill Armstead
7 months ago

She is unfortunate that it is paired with the piece by Anonymous which is vibrant and very definitely has a point.

Janet Fife
Janet Fife
Reply to  Jill Armstead
7 months ago

There is no need to insult people, and ‘apologising’ beforehand doesn’t excuse it.

Richard Pinch
Richard Pinch
Reply to  Jill Armstead
7 months ago

I think there’s a very clear point to the article by the Ven Nikki Groarke. As she candidly says “I admit to relishing the challenge of leading change. It energises me, yet I understand that others find it threatening.” But in this crisis, she feels deprived of options, helpless in the grip of a greater force, that is imposing radical, unwelcome, even damaging changes on the way she lives and works. No doubt she will use this enforced period of inactivity to reflect on and deepen her understanding of the reasons that those who are not leading change but having… Read more »

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Martin Sewell
Martin Sewell
7 months ago

Picking up Richard’s point, the worst war crime against British Servicemen in WW2 was the execution of 31 SAS and 1 US pilot having been captured behind the lines before D-Day. Hitler had ordered any captured special services to be executed. The professional German Army leaders were queasy: they reasoned the men came from the air so tried to pass the prisoners to the Luftwaffe, which refused. They delayed, the Major holding them took leave. Every German officer tried to avoid complicity except one. He was in charge of choosing the remote forrest burial site, digging two mass graves, organising… Read more »

Richard Pinch
Richard Pinch
7 months ago

I thought I might reflect on the “Nuremberg at 75” article’s comment on anger: “if you are not angry, you are not paying attention”. Quite The article then proceeds to explain, in some detail, why that isn’t, or wasn’t, anything like the whole truth. As it makes clear, the result of the, entirely understandable, anger of the liberating soldiers was rough treatment of the few guards or others they happened to come across at the time. But the sustained campaign of education as part of the construction of the post-war order was carried out not in anger but with determination… Read more »

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