I am very interested in Lizzie Taylor’s of reflection which resonates quite strongly with my own experience of the ways that conservative evangelical expressions of Anglicanism discriminate against women. In my case it was not a particular parish where I was on the end of discriminatory treatment, but rather a church-related organisation – then called the Church Missionary Society, now the Church Mission Society. What however I have come to feel over the years is that the ways and forms in which such sexism takes place could well be described as forms of abuse, because they seek to undermine the… Read more »
Kate Keates
9 hours ago
When Jesus was crucified just one, just John, of his Disciples was there, Of the twelve men he had spent most of the last year (or three years depending on one’s view) with, only one was with Him through His most difficult time. Even supposed-saints are appalling at supporting someone through oppression.
Kyle Johansen
9 hours ago
Surely, Lizzie Taylor would have been tipped off. Y the website not saying it supported the novelty of woman ordinations? Since it was so secretive about it (other than its teachings, it’s practice and its affiliations.) Or does Lizzie Taylor not think that parishes which support women’s ordinations should have to be public about that? Surely, whatever your theological convictions, it should be clear that insisting that your theological opponents should do something *regarding your priority* that you’re not willing to do yourself is double-dealing and failing to love your neighbour as yourself. Churches taking the historical view of the… Read more »
Ruairidh
8 hours ago
Thanks for the articles from Susannah Clark. I’ve missed her comments on this site since she withdrew. In fact, I was wondering as I skimmed through some of the previous threads, what Clark’s voice might have added to the conversation. I’ve attached a link to a resource from the Anglican Church of Canada titled, Pastoral Liturgies for Journeys of Gender Affirmation and Transition. (link below) Here is an opener said by a deacon in in said rite: “All humans are made in God’s image whether we recognize ourselves in our bodies as female, male, or intersex; whether we are transgender,… Read more »
Janet Fife
7 hours ago
Like most of those on TA, I imagine, I have always looked to Susannah Clark for gentle and balanced commentary, so of course I heartily applaud her plea for kindness and tolerance. My difficulty with her blog – and this surprises me – is that the kindness appears to be a little one-sided. Naturally she wants us to be kind and tolerant to trans women (and trans men, I assume), and so we should be. But I looked for, and didn’t see, a suggestion that we ought also to be kind to women who have been traumatised or assaulted by… Read more »
I am very interested in Lizzie Taylor’s of reflection which resonates quite strongly with my own experience of the ways that conservative evangelical expressions of Anglicanism discriminate against women. In my case it was not a particular parish where I was on the end of discriminatory treatment, but rather a church-related organisation – then called the Church Missionary Society, now the Church Mission Society. What however I have come to feel over the years is that the ways and forms in which such sexism takes place could well be described as forms of abuse, because they seek to undermine the… Read more »
When Jesus was crucified just one, just John, of his Disciples was there, Of the twelve men he had spent most of the last year (or three years depending on one’s view) with, only one was with Him through His most difficult time. Even supposed-saints are appalling at supporting someone through oppression.
Surely, Lizzie Taylor would have been tipped off. Y the website not saying it supported the novelty of woman ordinations? Since it was so secretive about it (other than its teachings, it’s practice and its affiliations.) Or does Lizzie Taylor not think that parishes which support women’s ordinations should have to be public about that? Surely, whatever your theological convictions, it should be clear that insisting that your theological opponents should do something *regarding your priority* that you’re not willing to do yourself is double-dealing and failing to love your neighbour as yourself. Churches taking the historical view of the… Read more »
Thanks for the articles from Susannah Clark. I’ve missed her comments on this site since she withdrew. In fact, I was wondering as I skimmed through some of the previous threads, what Clark’s voice might have added to the conversation. I’ve attached a link to a resource from the Anglican Church of Canada titled, Pastoral Liturgies for Journeys of Gender Affirmation and Transition. (link below) Here is an opener said by a deacon in in said rite: “All humans are made in God’s image whether we recognize ourselves in our bodies as female, male, or intersex; whether we are transgender,… Read more »
Like most of those on TA, I imagine, I have always looked to Susannah Clark for gentle and balanced commentary, so of course I heartily applaud her plea for kindness and tolerance. My difficulty with her blog – and this surprises me – is that the kindness appears to be a little one-sided. Naturally she wants us to be kind and tolerant to trans women (and trans men, I assume), and so we should be. But I looked for, and didn’t see, a suggestion that we ought also to be kind to women who have been traumatised or assaulted by… Read more »