The bishops are clearly not going to offer any form of meaningful differentiation.
We should wish Helen King well in her discussions, but she surely knows she is part of the window dressing.
I’m afraid nobody is listening to cosmetic “conversations” anymore.
The matter is settled.
David Hawkins
7 months ago
I thank Colin Coward for his article and I intend to follow his lead and study St Mark’s Gospel. What translation do people suggest I use ? A genuine question. I agree with Colin Coward that we often lose sight of what it means to be a Christian and the behaviour of some of our priests indicate that we have strayed very far. I have struggled a lot in the past year and Newport Cathedral has kept me afloat. This is a cathedral church that really cares about loving people and I particularly note how it values and cares for… Read more »
I am most certainly no New Testament Greek scholar, but I had to study Mark like that many years ago. You may not have the energy to read it in the original Greek, but I recommend getting a Greek/English inter-linear translation of the gospels. You can glean a lot from the original Greek, such as pondering the strangeness of the ending, concluding with the word “for” or “because”. Apologies in advance to Greek scholars who will know far more on this than I do.
In The Good Old Days before I found myself nipping between churches and this no longer being able to sag in my stall for the OT and Epistle I used to follow the readings as best I could. I found the NRSV only so-so in its translations sometimes, but an improvement on the NIV, whose translators were required, I am given to understand, to profess that menaingless shibboleth of hermeneutical double-think ‘infallible as originally given’. The REB is under-rated, and the Wansbrough revision of the JB is really rather fine, to the point of it being mystifying that the RC… Read more »
Sorry – correction|! … thetextofthegospels.com [Never just quote from memory!]
Froghole
7 months ago
I am just reporting that I went to St Paul’s Burton on Trent to attend the funeral service of Stanley Monkhouse this afternoon. The church was busy, with a good many clergy, with the bishop of Stafford representing the bishop of Lichfield (the former made some remarks at the end of the service). Being accustomed to driving long distances usually only on Sundays (from between Deal and Dover) the contingency I thought I had allowed myself wound up being a little more than 10 minutes. It was an excellent service, and I must make particular mention of the clergyman who… Read more »
Froghole
7 months ago
I should add that, halfway through the service a bishop arrived holding a battered Bible and crumpled newspaper, and he sat next door but one to me in the south aisle. It transpired (so I heard) that he has been Stanley’s diocesan in Ireland, and he had presumably made a very long journey in order to get to a very special service for a very special person. That devotion was perhaps a measure of the impress he had made on the wide range of people he had encountered in his divers careers. In view of what I have mentioned it… Read more »
Thanks for both your comments, Froghole. Very helpful and comforting. I had a good thought for Stanley at the appointed hour today here across the pond. I knew him only from TA together with the email correspondence we traded. Our one to ones included trading recommendations about books. Stanley had some very insightful observations about Ireland. From that particular conversation as recommended I read John Boyne’s, A History of Loneliness. I recommended to him a recent read, Robert Heaney’s, Post-Colonial Theology. If I may use a metaphor from water which separated his place from mine: a life well lived with… Read more »
Froghole, thank you so very much for attending the funeral and giving us such a splendid account. Stanley was such a well rounded individual, he had skills, talents in abundance and he endeared himself to many. Lives have been enhanced by his kindness, affection and generosity. Heart-felt gratitude for the exceptional personal contributions he made to TA.
I agree with these sentiments and find it gratifying that Froghole attended the funeral, perhaps on behalf of all of us at TA, where Stanley’s comments were always meaningful and provocative.
The bishops are clearly not going to offer any form of meaningful differentiation.
We should wish Helen King well in her discussions, but she surely knows she is part of the window dressing.
I’m afraid nobody is listening to cosmetic “conversations” anymore.
The matter is settled.
I thank Colin Coward for his article and I intend to follow his lead and study St Mark’s Gospel. What translation do people suggest I use ? A genuine question. I agree with Colin Coward that we often lose sight of what it means to be a Christian and the behaviour of some of our priests indicate that we have strayed very far. I have struggled a lot in the past year and Newport Cathedral has kept me afloat. This is a cathedral church that really cares about loving people and I particularly note how it values and cares for… Read more »
I am most certainly no New Testament Greek scholar, but I had to study Mark like that many years ago. You may not have the energy to read it in the original Greek, but I recommend getting a Greek/English inter-linear translation of the gospels. You can glean a lot from the original Greek, such as pondering the strangeness of the ending, concluding with the word “for” or “because”. Apologies in advance to Greek scholars who will know far more on this than I do.
In The Good Old Days before I found myself nipping between churches and this no longer being able to sag in my stall for the OT and Epistle I used to follow the readings as best I could. I found the NRSV only so-so in its translations sometimes, but an improvement on the NIV, whose translators were required, I am given to understand, to profess that menaingless shibboleth of hermeneutical double-think ‘infallible as originally given’. The REB is under-rated, and the Wansbrough revision of the JB is really rather fine, to the point of it being mystifying that the RC… Read more »
There is a great deal more to be said about the ending of Mark’s Gospel! See, for example, James E Snapp Jr’s textofthegospels.com
Sorry – correction|! … thetextofthegospels.com [Never just quote from memory!]
I am just reporting that I went to St Paul’s Burton on Trent to attend the funeral service of Stanley Monkhouse this afternoon. The church was busy, with a good many clergy, with the bishop of Stafford representing the bishop of Lichfield (the former made some remarks at the end of the service). Being accustomed to driving long distances usually only on Sundays (from between Deal and Dover) the contingency I thought I had allowed myself wound up being a little more than 10 minutes. It was an excellent service, and I must make particular mention of the clergyman who… Read more »
I should add that, halfway through the service a bishop arrived holding a battered Bible and crumpled newspaper, and he sat next door but one to me in the south aisle. It transpired (so I heard) that he has been Stanley’s diocesan in Ireland, and he had presumably made a very long journey in order to get to a very special service for a very special person. That devotion was perhaps a measure of the impress he had made on the wide range of people he had encountered in his divers careers. In view of what I have mentioned it… Read more »
Thank you for that very moving account. Unfortunately, unable to attend I observed a quiet hour at home.
Thanks for both your comments, Froghole. Very helpful and comforting. I had a good thought for Stanley at the appointed hour today here across the pond. I knew him only from TA together with the email correspondence we traded. Our one to ones included trading recommendations about books. Stanley had some very insightful observations about Ireland. From that particular conversation as recommended I read John Boyne’s, A History of Loneliness. I recommended to him a recent read, Robert Heaney’s, Post-Colonial Theology. If I may use a metaphor from water which separated his place from mine: a life well lived with… Read more »
Froghole, thank you so very much for attending the funeral and giving us such a splendid account. Stanley was such a well rounded individual, he had skills, talents in abundance and he endeared himself to many. Lives have been enhanced by his kindness, affection and generosity. Heart-felt gratitude for the exceptional personal contributions he made to TA.
I agree with these sentiments and find it gratifying that Froghole attended the funeral, perhaps on behalf of all of us at TA, where Stanley’s comments were always meaningful and provocative.
Just an update for folks….. There is an “Eulogy for Stan” published on the Rambling Rector.me website yesterday.
https://ramblingrector.me/2023/09/10/eulogy-for-stan/