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ACNA debate continued

Audio recording of the whole debate

Text of lay Synod member Lorna Ashworth’s speech proposing her motion

anglican.tv video coverage:

Press conference held on Tuesday

Lorna Ashworth’s opening speech

ACNA debate – Part 1

ACNA debate – Part 2

Text of speech by Archdeacon Norman Russell

Text of speech by the Bishop of Winchester

Transcript of the Tuesday lunchtime presentations to synod members (press were not admitted to this event)

Reflections on Synod vote for C of E to be in Communion with the ACNA by Bishop Henry Scriven (written before the debate)

An article by A. S. Haley criticising the paper that I edited about ACNA: A Vestry Member Returns the Favor

A criticism written by Marc Robertson (no relation) of the paper by Canon Chuck Robertson.

Colin Coward The Future of the Anglican Communion – a Big Question and After a week of Big Questions – the Communion still survives

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An extraordinary investment of ACNA’s time and resources. Several individuals have made the trip from the US and Canada. It would be interesting to know the cost of this failed motion.

Is ACNA forthcoming with such information? Do they have to file detailed information like this?

I am not sure what the bishop of Winchester was saying – bless him – he seemed a little flustered.

Cynthia Gilliatt
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Cynthia Gilliatt

“It would be interesting to know the cost of this failed motion.”

It would be, but they are under no compulsion to disclose this, so far as I know. Maybe it’s time for Jim Naughton to follow the money anew.

If ACNA has tax exempt status as a church, I’m not sure if they have to file information about their finances publically. I assume they have what the Internal Revenue Service calls 501c3 status? Does that require financial disclosure? I wonder what their collective carbon footprint is?

Rev L Roberts
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Rev L Roberts

‘There are remarkable ecumenical initiatives opening out precisely through the particular kind of witness that ACNA is seeking to live, to offer, to explore in North America. They have a particularly pronounced mission and church planting focus from which all of us in this church will benefit if we are in some kind of relationship with them.’

Why oh why did they leave the Church then ?

‘a particularly pronounced mission’ — I like that ! Very much

Malcolm+
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Further proof that this attempt to destroy TEC is, at heart, more about power and big money than about theology or faith.

drdanfee
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drdanfee

Actually hearing Ms. A is immediately striking. She seems profoundly unaware that following Packer as he follows Jesus is a dodgy business, with flat earthisms enough to go all round, then round again. Pick a dodgy topic – alleged (textual?) inerrancies in the scriptures, human embodiment and especially the simplistic collapse of sex into traditional gender roles (aka rigid complementarity, but somehow still sharply tinged with the assymetry of males only-males first), evolution in particular and science generally, … Anglican big tents flap wide over many different sorts of investigation, hermeneutics, and the like – but settling on this one… Read more »

David da Silva Cornell
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David da Silva Cornell

“If ACNA has tax exempt status as a church, I’m not sure if they have to file information about their finances publically. I assume they have what the Internal Revenue Service calls 501c3 status? Does that require financial disclosure?” Under U.S. federal tax law, churches/temples/etc., provided they are bona fide religious entities, are deemed to possess 501(c)(3) public charity status even when they have not filed with the IRS a Form 1023 for recognition of their tax exempt status. Only if they are shown not to be bona fide religious entities do they lose such status. (Many donors, nonetheless, insist… Read more »

Rev L Roberts
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Rev L Roberts

I for one am so grateful what TEC (PECUSA as it once was) has given me over the years. Its message and its embodiment of the gospel means so much to me. I feel TEC is in my heart, in some sense. I treasure the memory of the Priesting of Liz Canham at Newark Cathedral, when a sizable party of us from Southwark Diocese (UK) flew over to support Liz and increase our own joy, including Bishop Stockwood of Southwark. It was wonderful ! Women were not even ordained deacon in the C of E at that time — let… Read more »

Jeremy
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Jeremy

The disclosure question is a dead end. Churches are not required to file Forms 990, as many non-profits are.

Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

“I want Synod to have the opportunity to express its own wishes and not just to affirm other people’s wishes. So I want to vote for Bishop Mike’s amendment but in such a way as to also vote for Mr Vince’s.” – Michael Scott-Joynt – And obviously, the majority of the General Synod wanted “the opportunity to express its own wishes and not just to affirm other people’s wishes” – resulting in not affirming the Bishop Winchester, and his and Lorna Ashworht’s and Mr.Vince’s extravagant wishes. The stunning rejection of these significan *Other People’s wishes* issued in a resounding defeat… Read more »

Charlotte
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Charlotte

So Bishop Scriven is apparently putting it about, without quite saying so, that Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori attempted to defrock him. This after saying previously that he did not think that was what the Episcopal Church’s action had meant. And other Church of England bishops such as David Walker believe him. I smell a rat here.

Charlotte
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Charlotte

Yes, I’m glad that the Church of England stepped back from the brink also. I just don’t think celebrations are in order. This isn’t even the end of the beginning. It’s the beginning of the beginning.