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Lambeth: more Church Times Reports

Here are more Lambeth Conference news items from last week’s Church Times that were only available to subscribers until today.

Williams urges generous love
Lawyers see 1662 as still able to unite
Bishops tackle extremism and ‘daily business of dialogue’
Spouses aim to build good faith
Step up moral pressure over climate, Conference is told
Millennium Goals must be met, say Lambeth walkers
Ecumenical participants grapple
Murphy-O’Connor warns of ‘ecumenical shadow’

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Kennedy
Kennedy
12 years ago

1662 still able to unite:

And in every province: “The Book of Common Prayer 1662 is the normative standard for liturgy.”

Not in every province – the 1662 BCP does not appear in the list of authorised liturgies for the Scottish Episcopal Church

http://www.scotland.anglican.org/media/organisation/boards_committees/files/sec_code_of_canons_2006.pdf

Schedule to Canon 22.

Kennedy

WilliamK
WilliamK
12 years ago

Speaking of remnants of English colonialism…. The new law report seems to agree with the GAFCONites about the binding authority of the 1662 BCP: “The Book of Common Prayer 1662 is the normative standard for liturgy.” When is someone (other than this not-so-humble layman) going to call this nonsense for what it is? The 1662 BCP isn’t even “the normative standard for liturgy” in the C of E, where its rubrics (such as north-side celebration and the prohibition of adoration of the Blessed Sacrament [“for that were Idolatry, to be abhorred of all faithful Christians”]) have long been widely and… Read more »

Freddy Crabbe
Freddy Crabbe
12 years ago

I find you site very interesting. We have been to an oral hearing for permission for a Judicial Review on 7 August 2008, which was refused. The Church Commissioners asked for costs of £18,000. The judge asked if they really intended to ask a parish church for costs. I am told that the CC s nodded their heads vigorously. £2,000 costs were awarded. The new In cumbent claims he has chairmanship of our PCC by right though he is not a member nor does he live in the parish – though as a result of the merger we challenged without… Read more »

Bill Moorhead
12 years ago

‘And in every province: “The Book of Common Prayer 1662 is the normative standard for liturgy.”’

In every province of what planet?

Deacon Charlie Perrin
Deacon Charlie Perrin
12 years ago

Regarding the Cardinal’s concerns, I often feel that Rome’s attitude toward ecumenical relations is not unlike the Bush administration’s attitude toward diplomacy:

“We’ll talk to you only when you realize how wrong you are to not do things our way.”

I really don’t see why any Anglican would want to be involved with those who have so institutionalized sexism and sexual phobia that they can’t see it.

Maybe we should refuse to talk to them until they begin ordaining women and allowing those presbyters who wish to, get married.

pam
pam
12 years ago

“A covenantal agreement, properly understood, was an expression of mutual generosity or “generous love”: finding out the real intentions and needs of the other person or group, “so that when we do address divisive issues, we have created enough of a community for an intelligent generosity to be born”.”

That is a generous love to those who were allowed into the discussion to begin with. No so much for our LGBT brothers and sisters who were excluded from the conversation. (Let me rephrase – not so much for our openly LGBT . . . )

drdanfee
drdanfee
12 years ago

Hmm, Rowan’s rubric of generous love sounds all right, then. Yet it demands that as a queer citizen and believer I commit to live down, beneath the best in embodiment of which I may be indeed capable. And to live down, beneath, in order to protect the touchy and weaponized negative expectations which certain traditional or conservatives stubbornly persist in having of me – well that is hardly loving or generous in true, real life and relationship. Sorry, then, Rowan. I just cannot bring myself to meet the lower – even nasty – expectations that so many traditional or conservative… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
Father Ron Smith
12 years ago

In New Zealand, we have our very own Prayer Book, which is the main resource for worship in our churches. However, some of us still provide at least one Celebration of the 1662 BCP Service every Sunday. Daily Mass, however, is normally taken from the NZPB, which has a wonderful set of resources for Eucharist and Daily Offices. Does anyone ‘do’ daily Mass anymore? I must say that, as a retired priest, well used to 1662 (which usually is a more reflective service. However, I love both old and new Eucharistic services (Bring out of your treasures something old and… Read more »

Robert Ian Williams
Robert Ian Williams
12 years ago

“In every province, worship is acknowledged in the Church’s law and practice as “a fundamental action and responsibility”, the report says. And in every province: “The Book of Common Prayer 1662 is the normative standard for liturgy.”

Theres a superb letter in the Church Times from a church of Ireland synodsman rebutting that assertion.

Ford Elms
Ford Elms
12 years ago

It was interesting that in the Jerusalem Statement, GAFCON declared 1662 normative. Yet, many of the members of GAFCON really don’t use it, indeed, tend to shy away from such formal liturgical worship. So how is it normative? Besides, while the language is far better than anything our modern liturgists can attain to, especially in Canada, it is theologically deficient.

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